Potential employer flew me out for interview, cancels return flight
A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
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A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
interviewing travel expenses
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@Snah Have you considered invoicing them for the full costs of getting home?
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The only reason I can see for them to do that is that they felt your application was deceiving to the degree of being (at least morally) fraudulent. That may still not excuse their behavior, but I simply try to put myself in their shoes in order to find a coherent story. So just imagine the following scenario: (tbc)
– Peter A. Schneider
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(ctd.) They were looking for a senior developer for the position of a system architect for their, say, e-commerce portal. Your CV looks promising: Years of experience in the field, relevant hard and soft skills etc. They are in the SF bay area and pay for your flight across the country, the managers make time in their work week for you. But in the interview you can in fact not understand simple programs, cannot name any important concepts of software engineering, have never done web front ends. They feel that you conned them into paying for your vacation flight, so they cancel the return.
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A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
interviewing travel expenses
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A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
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@Snah Have you considered invoicing them for the full costs of getting home?
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The only reason I can see for them to do that is that they felt your application was deceiving to the degree of being (at least morally) fraudulent. That may still not excuse their behavior, but I simply try to put myself in their shoes in order to find a coherent story. So just imagine the following scenario: (tbc)
– Peter A. Schneider
11 hours ago
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(ctd.) They were looking for a senior developer for the position of a system architect for their, say, e-commerce portal. Your CV looks promising: Years of experience in the field, relevant hard and soft skills etc. They are in the SF bay area and pay for your flight across the country, the managers make time in their work week for you. But in the interview you can in fact not understand simple programs, cannot name any important concepts of software engineering, have never done web front ends. They feel that you conned them into paying for your vacation flight, so they cancel the return.
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@Snah Have you considered invoicing them for the full costs of getting home?
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The only reason I can see for them to do that is that they felt your application was deceiving to the degree of being (at least morally) fraudulent. That may still not excuse their behavior, but I simply try to put myself in their shoes in order to find a coherent story. So just imagine the following scenario: (tbc)
– Peter A. Schneider
11 hours ago
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(ctd.) They were looking for a senior developer for the position of a system architect for their, say, e-commerce portal. Your CV looks promising: Years of experience in the field, relevant hard and soft skills etc. They are in the SF bay area and pay for your flight across the country, the managers make time in their work week for you. But in the interview you can in fact not understand simple programs, cannot name any important concepts of software engineering, have never done web front ends. They feel that you conned them into paying for your vacation flight, so they cancel the return.
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@Snah Have you considered invoicing them for the full costs of getting home?
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The only reason I can see for them to do that is that they felt your application was deceiving to the degree of being (at least morally) fraudulent. That may still not excuse their behavior, but I simply try to put myself in their shoes in order to find a coherent story. So just imagine the following scenario: (tbc)
– Peter A. Schneider
11 hours ago
The only reason I can see for them to do that is that they felt your application was deceiving to the degree of being (at least morally) fraudulent. That may still not excuse their behavior, but I simply try to put myself in their shoes in order to find a coherent story. So just imagine the following scenario: (tbc)
– Peter A. Schneider
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(ctd.) They were looking for a senior developer for the position of a system architect for their, say, e-commerce portal. Your CV looks promising: Years of experience in the field, relevant hard and soft skills etc. They are in the SF bay area and pay for your flight across the country, the managers make time in their work week for you. But in the interview you can in fact not understand simple programs, cannot name any important concepts of software engineering, have never done web front ends. They feel that you conned them into paying for your vacation flight, so they cancel the return.
– Peter A. Schneider
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(ctd.) They were looking for a senior developer for the position of a system architect for their, say, e-commerce portal. Your CV looks promising: Years of experience in the field, relevant hard and soft skills etc. They are in the SF bay area and pay for your flight across the country, the managers make time in their work week for you. But in the interview you can in fact not understand simple programs, cannot name any important concepts of software engineering, have never done web front ends. They feel that you conned them into paying for your vacation flight, so they cancel the return.
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform on which to name and shame.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
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Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
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@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
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@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
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"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
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Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
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Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
I am not a lawyer, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
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With regards to your last paragraph, such a question has been asked here.
– JAD
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"(especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers")" I don't think that particular part changes anything regarding winning or losing a lawsuit. Either op is entitled to compensation or not. If op is not, it's their problem they were stranded, it doesn't suddenly become the employers. (Just to be clear, in my opinion they have grounds for a suit).
– DonQuiKong
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@Mawg I'm also no lawyer, but I don't see any case for kidnapping or false imprisonment here at all. The company simply isn't restricting OP's personal movement - they're just not paying for it.
– Anyon
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@Anyon I agree with you, though it seems that there is growing acceptance of the reasoning that if the only accessible personal movement requires financial means you do not have, then you don't actually have freedom of movement, and if someone knowingly causes that condition, then you don't have that freedom of movement because of that someone. I wouldn't expect this argument to win in court any time soon, but I find myself thinking that we'll be seeing things turning that way in some jurisdictions within a couple of decades.
– mtraceur
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@Anyon (cont) that said, even if the above hypothetical development progressed, I don't see that OP could prove that he was really fully helplessly stranded in such a way (because he did have other options, arguably less accessible, but not inaccessible), or that the prospective employer knew he would be thus trapped (because unless he told them about his rather strained financial situation, and unless they didn't have good reasons to suspect his claim, I'm not sure you could say the result was intentional on their part).
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
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Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL1.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
1 IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer = I believe this is true, but it isn't a legal opinion.
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"it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight." This can't be emphasized enough.
– bruglesco
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I also can't imagine the company getting anything close to full amount for canceling hours before the flight. Most airlines give you nothing for doing this. I couldn't find hard numbers on this though.
– Nelson
yesterday
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@Cloud It's a pretty common abbreviation around here for the disclaimer: "I am not a lawyer". (Implying that the one heeding this advice should take it with a grain of salt / contact an actual lawyer about this.)
– Inarion
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Glad someone added a definition of IANAL...I'd been thinking everyone was just over sharing about their bedroom activities...
– Lio Elbammalf
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What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
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If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
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After awhile, another possibility that occurred to me is that this might be an effective way for someone from the company to embezzle money:. They look for candidates who have bombed, then cancel the return ticket, routing the refund to their own account rather than the company. The company wouldn't know that the candidate was left stranded, and whoever re-routed the money would have pocketed the cost of a refundable ticket!
If you have only spoken to one person at the company so far, who kept repeating the same "other direction" line over and over, they may be the embezzler, hoping you will just go away. You need to speak to at least a second person at the company, and get an acknowledgement that the company really did cancel your ticket. Otherwise, this may be part of a much more serious crime.
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when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
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@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
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I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
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even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
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Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
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In fact, as HR should be booking the flights, but HR would not be conducting the interview, someone has gone out of their way to cancel that flight.
It may even be that the "sponsor" has been fired and had their approval rights revoked.
After all if they could not screen you out, their own bona fides are then highly suspect.
This is actually quite hard to do and would have left a wide trail. That they used refundable tickets is significant.
You bombed at the interview, was the position misrepresented or in any way "Bait and Switch"? Sometimes the copy for the job is garbage.
Otherwise I would invoice for time and expense, and then sue for liquidated damages.
OP should a lawyer first, they are very good at this kind of billing.
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There exist good reasons to use refundable tickets: candidates might cancel on short notice.
– gerrit
yesterday
Was it pointed out somewhere that HR booked the flight? If so I missed that.
– David Z
3 hours ago
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The only reasonable sitation that this would be a valid reaction to would be if you lied on your CV in an important point. I am not talking about a little exaggeration, not something like blowing all technical questions where you did not have as much experience as one would like, but misstating hard facts, like making up a PHD. Something like that would be fraud, and an employee would be obligated, should he become aware of such a situation to limit the damage to his employer.
Even then, the behavior they showed is unprofessional - it should be clearly stated if that happens.
In all other cases the behavior is completely unusual, unprofessional, and should be reason to ask a lawyer for help.
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I think even if (totally hypothetically, not saying this is the case) OP committed fraud by totally lying on their CV, canceling the ticket without informing OP, thus leaving OP stranded at the airport, is not a "valid reaction", and more than just unprofessional. If the company believed OP had committed fraud against them, they could have kept the ticket active, and then asked OP to pay back the travel costs. If OP refused, legal action would have been the most professional and acceptable play by the company, however, PR-wise, even that would probably not have been such a good idea.
– Revetahw
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I agree with that. Even if OP blew all technical questions on a topic he claimed to be an expert in, I don't think this would justify canceling the ticket. Performance during interviews is not just about skills/ knowledge, it's also about the psychological and physical state the candidate is in for example. The only exception which would justify canceling the ticket is a "hard" lie, something which was obviously a deliberate attempt to mislead the company on a very important matter.
– BigMadAndy
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A returned ticket that had already been paid but cancelled, is more than reasonable if you committed a fraud. Didn't you mention you weren't able to answer a single interview question? I have my suspicion you lied on your resume. A very serious mislead on your resume.
Yes. It's legally and morally alright for cancelling your ticket in this case.
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There are many reasons why an honest person (and perhaps a good worker, too) would fail every question, from being misrepresented by the recruiter, to being "bombed" by the prospective manager who changed their mind before the interview even started, to a serious last-minute sickness. Accusing someone in serious need because of a hyperbole they used sounds very wrong.
– undercat
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@SmallChess depending on how many questions there are and how specialized, this can happen. It's the company's duty to do phone screens et al before flying someone out.
– Magisch
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Even if that were true, I wouldn't consider cancelling someone's already booked return flight a reasonable reaction. Trying to recover the entire sum (both flights and other costs) afterward would leave the company in a far less vulnerable position.
– Martijn Heemels
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@SmallChess I find it pretty weird that all your counterpoints are "what if {insert extreme situation}." We don't know the what if, so we're not in the position to speculate it. What we do know is that this company and user came to an agreement, where the user would sacrifice their time to go out for an interview, and the company would pay for it. If the company felt cheated, they could go after it in small claims court. But it sounds like the user made it past vetting, and then they changed their mind and wanted to mitigate the cost of the mistake. Which is backed up by facts in the story.
– knocked loose
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@SmallChess even then, the proper way to follow up on that is sue / pursue them later for costs, not to cancel their ticket. Even assuming your most extreme case, what they did wouldn't be legal or moral. And that is a large assumption.
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform on which to name and shame.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
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Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
2 days ago
156
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
2 days ago
38
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
2 days ago
117
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
2 days ago
40
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
2 days ago
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform on which to name and shame.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
274
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
2 days ago
156
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
2 days ago
38
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
2 days ago
117
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
2 days ago
40
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
2 days ago
|
show 15 more comments
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform on which to name and shame.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform on which to name and shame.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
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Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
2 days ago
156
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
2 days ago
38
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
2 days ago
117
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
2 days ago
40
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
2 days ago
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274
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
2 days ago
156
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
2 days ago
38
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
2 days ago
117
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
2 days ago
40
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
2 days ago
274
274
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
2 days ago
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
2 days ago
156
156
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
2 days ago
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
2 days ago
38
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@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
2 days ago
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
2 days ago
117
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"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
2 days ago
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
2 days ago
40
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Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
2 days ago
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
2 days ago
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Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
I am not a lawyer, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
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With regards to your last paragraph, such a question has been asked here.
– JAD
yesterday
5
"(especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers")" I don't think that particular part changes anything regarding winning or losing a lawsuit. Either op is entitled to compensation or not. If op is not, it's their problem they were stranded, it doesn't suddenly become the employers. (Just to be clear, in my opinion they have grounds for a suit).
– DonQuiKong
yesterday
2
@Mawg I'm also no lawyer, but I don't see any case for kidnapping or false imprisonment here at all. The company simply isn't restricting OP's personal movement - they're just not paying for it.
– Anyon
yesterday
1
@Anyon I agree with you, though it seems that there is growing acceptance of the reasoning that if the only accessible personal movement requires financial means you do not have, then you don't actually have freedom of movement, and if someone knowingly causes that condition, then you don't have that freedom of movement because of that someone. I wouldn't expect this argument to win in court any time soon, but I find myself thinking that we'll be seeing things turning that way in some jurisdictions within a couple of decades.
– mtraceur
yesterday
1
@Anyon (cont) that said, even if the above hypothetical development progressed, I don't see that OP could prove that he was really fully helplessly stranded in such a way (because he did have other options, arguably less accessible, but not inaccessible), or that the prospective employer knew he would be thus trapped (because unless he told them about his rather strained financial situation, and unless they didn't have good reasons to suspect his claim, I'm not sure you could say the result was intentional on their part).
– mtraceur
yesterday
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Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
I am not a lawyer, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
9
With regards to your last paragraph, such a question has been asked here.
– JAD
yesterday
5
"(especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers")" I don't think that particular part changes anything regarding winning or losing a lawsuit. Either op is entitled to compensation or not. If op is not, it's their problem they were stranded, it doesn't suddenly become the employers. (Just to be clear, in my opinion they have grounds for a suit).
– DonQuiKong
yesterday
2
@Mawg I'm also no lawyer, but I don't see any case for kidnapping or false imprisonment here at all. The company simply isn't restricting OP's personal movement - they're just not paying for it.
– Anyon
yesterday
1
@Anyon I agree with you, though it seems that there is growing acceptance of the reasoning that if the only accessible personal movement requires financial means you do not have, then you don't actually have freedom of movement, and if someone knowingly causes that condition, then you don't have that freedom of movement because of that someone. I wouldn't expect this argument to win in court any time soon, but I find myself thinking that we'll be seeing things turning that way in some jurisdictions within a couple of decades.
– mtraceur
yesterday
1
@Anyon (cont) that said, even if the above hypothetical development progressed, I don't see that OP could prove that he was really fully helplessly stranded in such a way (because he did have other options, arguably less accessible, but not inaccessible), or that the prospective employer knew he would be thus trapped (because unless he told them about his rather strained financial situation, and unless they didn't have good reasons to suspect his claim, I'm not sure you could say the result was intentional on their part).
– mtraceur
yesterday
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show 5 more comments
Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
I am not a lawyer, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
I am not a lawyer, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
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With regards to your last paragraph, such a question has been asked here.
– JAD
yesterday
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"(especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers")" I don't think that particular part changes anything regarding winning or losing a lawsuit. Either op is entitled to compensation or not. If op is not, it's their problem they were stranded, it doesn't suddenly become the employers. (Just to be clear, in my opinion they have grounds for a suit).
– DonQuiKong
yesterday
2
@Mawg I'm also no lawyer, but I don't see any case for kidnapping or false imprisonment here at all. The company simply isn't restricting OP's personal movement - they're just not paying for it.
– Anyon
yesterday
1
@Anyon I agree with you, though it seems that there is growing acceptance of the reasoning that if the only accessible personal movement requires financial means you do not have, then you don't actually have freedom of movement, and if someone knowingly causes that condition, then you don't have that freedom of movement because of that someone. I wouldn't expect this argument to win in court any time soon, but I find myself thinking that we'll be seeing things turning that way in some jurisdictions within a couple of decades.
– mtraceur
yesterday
1
@Anyon (cont) that said, even if the above hypothetical development progressed, I don't see that OP could prove that he was really fully helplessly stranded in such a way (because he did have other options, arguably less accessible, but not inaccessible), or that the prospective employer knew he would be thus trapped (because unless he told them about his rather strained financial situation, and unless they didn't have good reasons to suspect his claim, I'm not sure you could say the result was intentional on their part).
– mtraceur
yesterday
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show 5 more comments
9
With regards to your last paragraph, such a question has been asked here.
– JAD
yesterday
5
"(especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers")" I don't think that particular part changes anything regarding winning or losing a lawsuit. Either op is entitled to compensation or not. If op is not, it's their problem they were stranded, it doesn't suddenly become the employers. (Just to be clear, in my opinion they have grounds for a suit).
– DonQuiKong
yesterday
2
@Mawg I'm also no lawyer, but I don't see any case for kidnapping or false imprisonment here at all. The company simply isn't restricting OP's personal movement - they're just not paying for it.
– Anyon
yesterday
1
@Anyon I agree with you, though it seems that there is growing acceptance of the reasoning that if the only accessible personal movement requires financial means you do not have, then you don't actually have freedom of movement, and if someone knowingly causes that condition, then you don't have that freedom of movement because of that someone. I wouldn't expect this argument to win in court any time soon, but I find myself thinking that we'll be seeing things turning that way in some jurisdictions within a couple of decades.
– mtraceur
yesterday
1
@Anyon (cont) that said, even if the above hypothetical development progressed, I don't see that OP could prove that he was really fully helplessly stranded in such a way (because he did have other options, arguably less accessible, but not inaccessible), or that the prospective employer knew he would be thus trapped (because unless he told them about his rather strained financial situation, and unless they didn't have good reasons to suspect his claim, I'm not sure you could say the result was intentional on their part).
– mtraceur
yesterday
9
9
With regards to your last paragraph, such a question has been asked here.
– JAD
yesterday
With regards to your last paragraph, such a question has been asked here.
– JAD
yesterday
5
5
"(especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers")" I don't think that particular part changes anything regarding winning or losing a lawsuit. Either op is entitled to compensation or not. If op is not, it's their problem they were stranded, it doesn't suddenly become the employers. (Just to be clear, in my opinion they have grounds for a suit).
– DonQuiKong
yesterday
"(especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers")" I don't think that particular part changes anything regarding winning or losing a lawsuit. Either op is entitled to compensation or not. If op is not, it's their problem they were stranded, it doesn't suddenly become the employers. (Just to be clear, in my opinion they have grounds for a suit).
– DonQuiKong
yesterday
2
2
@Mawg I'm also no lawyer, but I don't see any case for kidnapping or false imprisonment here at all. The company simply isn't restricting OP's personal movement - they're just not paying for it.
– Anyon
yesterday
@Mawg I'm also no lawyer, but I don't see any case for kidnapping or false imprisonment here at all. The company simply isn't restricting OP's personal movement - they're just not paying for it.
– Anyon
yesterday
1
1
@Anyon I agree with you, though it seems that there is growing acceptance of the reasoning that if the only accessible personal movement requires financial means you do not have, then you don't actually have freedom of movement, and if someone knowingly causes that condition, then you don't have that freedom of movement because of that someone. I wouldn't expect this argument to win in court any time soon, but I find myself thinking that we'll be seeing things turning that way in some jurisdictions within a couple of decades.
– mtraceur
yesterday
@Anyon I agree with you, though it seems that there is growing acceptance of the reasoning that if the only accessible personal movement requires financial means you do not have, then you don't actually have freedom of movement, and if someone knowingly causes that condition, then you don't have that freedom of movement because of that someone. I wouldn't expect this argument to win in court any time soon, but I find myself thinking that we'll be seeing things turning that way in some jurisdictions within a couple of decades.
– mtraceur
yesterday
1
1
@Anyon (cont) that said, even if the above hypothetical development progressed, I don't see that OP could prove that he was really fully helplessly stranded in such a way (because he did have other options, arguably less accessible, but not inaccessible), or that the prospective employer knew he would be thus trapped (because unless he told them about his rather strained financial situation, and unless they didn't have good reasons to suspect his claim, I'm not sure you could say the result was intentional on their part).
– mtraceur
yesterday
@Anyon (cont) that said, even if the above hypothetical development progressed, I don't see that OP could prove that he was really fully helplessly stranded in such a way (because he did have other options, arguably less accessible, but not inaccessible), or that the prospective employer knew he would be thus trapped (because unless he told them about his rather strained financial situation, and unless they didn't have good reasons to suspect his claim, I'm not sure you could say the result was intentional on their part).
– mtraceur
yesterday
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
add a comment |
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
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Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL1.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
1 IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer = I believe this is true, but it isn't a legal opinion.
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"it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight." This can't be emphasized enough.
– bruglesco
2 days ago
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I also can't imagine the company getting anything close to full amount for canceling hours before the flight. Most airlines give you nothing for doing this. I couldn't find hard numbers on this though.
– Nelson
yesterday
3
@Cloud It's a pretty common abbreviation around here for the disclaimer: "I am not a lawyer". (Implying that the one heeding this advice should take it with a grain of salt / contact an actual lawyer about this.)
– Inarion
yesterday
1
Glad someone added a definition of IANAL...I'd been thinking everyone was just over sharing about their bedroom activities...
– Lio Elbammalf
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL1.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
1 IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer = I believe this is true, but it isn't a legal opinion.
38
"it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight." This can't be emphasized enough.
– bruglesco
2 days ago
5
I also can't imagine the company getting anything close to full amount for canceling hours before the flight. Most airlines give you nothing for doing this. I couldn't find hard numbers on this though.
– Nelson
yesterday
3
@Cloud It's a pretty common abbreviation around here for the disclaimer: "I am not a lawyer". (Implying that the one heeding this advice should take it with a grain of salt / contact an actual lawyer about this.)
– Inarion
yesterday
1
Glad someone added a definition of IANAL...I'd been thinking everyone was just over sharing about their bedroom activities...
– Lio Elbammalf
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL1.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
1 IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer = I believe this is true, but it isn't a legal opinion.
Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL1.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
1 IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer = I believe this is true, but it isn't a legal opinion.
edited yesterday
answered 2 days ago
J. Chris ComptonJ. Chris Compton
3,649526
3,649526
38
"it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight." This can't be emphasized enough.
– bruglesco
2 days ago
5
I also can't imagine the company getting anything close to full amount for canceling hours before the flight. Most airlines give you nothing for doing this. I couldn't find hard numbers on this though.
– Nelson
yesterday
3
@Cloud It's a pretty common abbreviation around here for the disclaimer: "I am not a lawyer". (Implying that the one heeding this advice should take it with a grain of salt / contact an actual lawyer about this.)
– Inarion
yesterday
1
Glad someone added a definition of IANAL...I'd been thinking everyone was just over sharing about their bedroom activities...
– Lio Elbammalf
14 hours ago
add a comment |
38
"it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight." This can't be emphasized enough.
– bruglesco
2 days ago
5
I also can't imagine the company getting anything close to full amount for canceling hours before the flight. Most airlines give you nothing for doing this. I couldn't find hard numbers on this though.
– Nelson
yesterday
3
@Cloud It's a pretty common abbreviation around here for the disclaimer: "I am not a lawyer". (Implying that the one heeding this advice should take it with a grain of salt / contact an actual lawyer about this.)
– Inarion
yesterday
1
Glad someone added a definition of IANAL...I'd been thinking everyone was just over sharing about their bedroom activities...
– Lio Elbammalf
14 hours ago
38
38
"it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight." This can't be emphasized enough.
– bruglesco
2 days ago
"it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight." This can't be emphasized enough.
– bruglesco
2 days ago
5
5
I also can't imagine the company getting anything close to full amount for canceling hours before the flight. Most airlines give you nothing for doing this. I couldn't find hard numbers on this though.
– Nelson
yesterday
I also can't imagine the company getting anything close to full amount for canceling hours before the flight. Most airlines give you nothing for doing this. I couldn't find hard numbers on this though.
– Nelson
yesterday
3
3
@Cloud It's a pretty common abbreviation around here for the disclaimer: "I am not a lawyer". (Implying that the one heeding this advice should take it with a grain of salt / contact an actual lawyer about this.)
– Inarion
yesterday
@Cloud It's a pretty common abbreviation around here for the disclaimer: "I am not a lawyer". (Implying that the one heeding this advice should take it with a grain of salt / contact an actual lawyer about this.)
– Inarion
yesterday
1
1
Glad someone added a definition of IANAL...I'd been thinking everyone was just over sharing about their bedroom activities...
– Lio Elbammalf
14 hours ago
Glad someone added a definition of IANAL...I'd been thinking everyone was just over sharing about their bedroom activities...
– Lio Elbammalf
14 hours ago
add a comment |
What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
Edit
After awhile, another possibility that occurred to me is that this might be an effective way for someone from the company to embezzle money:. They look for candidates who have bombed, then cancel the return ticket, routing the refund to their own account rather than the company. The company wouldn't know that the candidate was left stranded, and whoever re-routed the money would have pocketed the cost of a refundable ticket!
If you have only spoken to one person at the company so far, who kept repeating the same "other direction" line over and over, they may be the embezzler, hoping you will just go away. You need to speak to at least a second person at the company, and get an acknowledgement that the company really did cancel your ticket. Otherwise, this may be part of a much more serious crime.
4
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
10
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
2 days ago
7
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
27
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
2 days ago
9
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 days ago
|
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What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
Edit
After awhile, another possibility that occurred to me is that this might be an effective way for someone from the company to embezzle money:. They look for candidates who have bombed, then cancel the return ticket, routing the refund to their own account rather than the company. The company wouldn't know that the candidate was left stranded, and whoever re-routed the money would have pocketed the cost of a refundable ticket!
If you have only spoken to one person at the company so far, who kept repeating the same "other direction" line over and over, they may be the embezzler, hoping you will just go away. You need to speak to at least a second person at the company, and get an acknowledgement that the company really did cancel your ticket. Otherwise, this may be part of a much more serious crime.
4
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
10
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
2 days ago
7
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
27
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
2 days ago
9
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
Edit
After awhile, another possibility that occurred to me is that this might be an effective way for someone from the company to embezzle money:. They look for candidates who have bombed, then cancel the return ticket, routing the refund to their own account rather than the company. The company wouldn't know that the candidate was left stranded, and whoever re-routed the money would have pocketed the cost of a refundable ticket!
If you have only spoken to one person at the company so far, who kept repeating the same "other direction" line over and over, they may be the embezzler, hoping you will just go away. You need to speak to at least a second person at the company, and get an acknowledgement that the company really did cancel your ticket. Otherwise, this may be part of a much more serious crime.
What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
Edit
After awhile, another possibility that occurred to me is that this might be an effective way for someone from the company to embezzle money:. They look for candidates who have bombed, then cancel the return ticket, routing the refund to their own account rather than the company. The company wouldn't know that the candidate was left stranded, and whoever re-routed the money would have pocketed the cost of a refundable ticket!
If you have only spoken to one person at the company so far, who kept repeating the same "other direction" line over and over, they may be the embezzler, hoping you will just go away. You need to speak to at least a second person at the company, and get an acknowledgement that the company really did cancel your ticket. Otherwise, this may be part of a much more serious crime.
edited yesterday
answered 2 days ago
abelenkyabelenky
49537
49537
4
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
10
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
2 days ago
7
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
27
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
2 days ago
9
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
4
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
10
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
2 days ago
7
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
27
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
2 days ago
9
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 days ago
4
4
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
10
10
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
2 days ago
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
2 days ago
7
7
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
2 days ago
27
27
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
2 days ago
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
2 days ago
9
9
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 days ago
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 days ago
|
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In fact, as HR should be booking the flights, but HR would not be conducting the interview, someone has gone out of their way to cancel that flight.
It may even be that the "sponsor" has been fired and had their approval rights revoked.
After all if they could not screen you out, their own bona fides are then highly suspect.
This is actually quite hard to do and would have left a wide trail. That they used refundable tickets is significant.
You bombed at the interview, was the position misrepresented or in any way "Bait and Switch"? Sometimes the copy for the job is garbage.
Otherwise I would invoice for time and expense, and then sue for liquidated damages.
OP should a lawyer first, they are very good at this kind of billing.
18
There exist good reasons to use refundable tickets: candidates might cancel on short notice.
– gerrit
yesterday
Was it pointed out somewhere that HR booked the flight? If so I missed that.
– David Z
3 hours ago
add a comment |
In fact, as HR should be booking the flights, but HR would not be conducting the interview, someone has gone out of their way to cancel that flight.
It may even be that the "sponsor" has been fired and had their approval rights revoked.
After all if they could not screen you out, their own bona fides are then highly suspect.
This is actually quite hard to do and would have left a wide trail. That they used refundable tickets is significant.
You bombed at the interview, was the position misrepresented or in any way "Bait and Switch"? Sometimes the copy for the job is garbage.
Otherwise I would invoice for time and expense, and then sue for liquidated damages.
OP should a lawyer first, they are very good at this kind of billing.
18
There exist good reasons to use refundable tickets: candidates might cancel on short notice.
– gerrit
yesterday
Was it pointed out somewhere that HR booked the flight? If so I missed that.
– David Z
3 hours ago
add a comment |
In fact, as HR should be booking the flights, but HR would not be conducting the interview, someone has gone out of their way to cancel that flight.
It may even be that the "sponsor" has been fired and had their approval rights revoked.
After all if they could not screen you out, their own bona fides are then highly suspect.
This is actually quite hard to do and would have left a wide trail. That they used refundable tickets is significant.
You bombed at the interview, was the position misrepresented or in any way "Bait and Switch"? Sometimes the copy for the job is garbage.
Otherwise I would invoice for time and expense, and then sue for liquidated damages.
OP should a lawyer first, they are very good at this kind of billing.
In fact, as HR should be booking the flights, but HR would not be conducting the interview, someone has gone out of their way to cancel that flight.
It may even be that the "sponsor" has been fired and had their approval rights revoked.
After all if they could not screen you out, their own bona fides are then highly suspect.
This is actually quite hard to do and would have left a wide trail. That they used refundable tickets is significant.
You bombed at the interview, was the position misrepresented or in any way "Bait and Switch"? Sometimes the copy for the job is garbage.
Otherwise I would invoice for time and expense, and then sue for liquidated damages.
OP should a lawyer first, they are very good at this kind of billing.
answered 2 days ago
mckenzmmckenzm
60737
60737
18
There exist good reasons to use refundable tickets: candidates might cancel on short notice.
– gerrit
yesterday
Was it pointed out somewhere that HR booked the flight? If so I missed that.
– David Z
3 hours ago
add a comment |
18
There exist good reasons to use refundable tickets: candidates might cancel on short notice.
– gerrit
yesterday
Was it pointed out somewhere that HR booked the flight? If so I missed that.
– David Z
3 hours ago
18
18
There exist good reasons to use refundable tickets: candidates might cancel on short notice.
– gerrit
yesterday
There exist good reasons to use refundable tickets: candidates might cancel on short notice.
– gerrit
yesterday
Was it pointed out somewhere that HR booked the flight? If so I missed that.
– David Z
3 hours ago
Was it pointed out somewhere that HR booked the flight? If so I missed that.
– David Z
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The only reasonable sitation that this would be a valid reaction to would be if you lied on your CV in an important point. I am not talking about a little exaggeration, not something like blowing all technical questions where you did not have as much experience as one would like, but misstating hard facts, like making up a PHD. Something like that would be fraud, and an employee would be obligated, should he become aware of such a situation to limit the damage to his employer.
Even then, the behavior they showed is unprofessional - it should be clearly stated if that happens.
In all other cases the behavior is completely unusual, unprofessional, and should be reason to ask a lawyer for help.
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I think even if (totally hypothetically, not saying this is the case) OP committed fraud by totally lying on their CV, canceling the ticket without informing OP, thus leaving OP stranded at the airport, is not a "valid reaction", and more than just unprofessional. If the company believed OP had committed fraud against them, they could have kept the ticket active, and then asked OP to pay back the travel costs. If OP refused, legal action would have been the most professional and acceptable play by the company, however, PR-wise, even that would probably not have been such a good idea.
– Revetahw
yesterday
2
I agree with that. Even if OP blew all technical questions on a topic he claimed to be an expert in, I don't think this would justify canceling the ticket. Performance during interviews is not just about skills/ knowledge, it's also about the psychological and physical state the candidate is in for example. The only exception which would justify canceling the ticket is a "hard" lie, something which was obviously a deliberate attempt to mislead the company on a very important matter.
– BigMadAndy
yesterday
add a comment |
The only reasonable sitation that this would be a valid reaction to would be if you lied on your CV in an important point. I am not talking about a little exaggeration, not something like blowing all technical questions where you did not have as much experience as one would like, but misstating hard facts, like making up a PHD. Something like that would be fraud, and an employee would be obligated, should he become aware of such a situation to limit the damage to his employer.
Even then, the behavior they showed is unprofessional - it should be clearly stated if that happens.
In all other cases the behavior is completely unusual, unprofessional, and should be reason to ask a lawyer for help.
18
I think even if (totally hypothetically, not saying this is the case) OP committed fraud by totally lying on their CV, canceling the ticket without informing OP, thus leaving OP stranded at the airport, is not a "valid reaction", and more than just unprofessional. If the company believed OP had committed fraud against them, they could have kept the ticket active, and then asked OP to pay back the travel costs. If OP refused, legal action would have been the most professional and acceptable play by the company, however, PR-wise, even that would probably not have been such a good idea.
– Revetahw
yesterday
2
I agree with that. Even if OP blew all technical questions on a topic he claimed to be an expert in, I don't think this would justify canceling the ticket. Performance during interviews is not just about skills/ knowledge, it's also about the psychological and physical state the candidate is in for example. The only exception which would justify canceling the ticket is a "hard" lie, something which was obviously a deliberate attempt to mislead the company on a very important matter.
– BigMadAndy
yesterday
add a comment |
The only reasonable sitation that this would be a valid reaction to would be if you lied on your CV in an important point. I am not talking about a little exaggeration, not something like blowing all technical questions where you did not have as much experience as one would like, but misstating hard facts, like making up a PHD. Something like that would be fraud, and an employee would be obligated, should he become aware of such a situation to limit the damage to his employer.
Even then, the behavior they showed is unprofessional - it should be clearly stated if that happens.
In all other cases the behavior is completely unusual, unprofessional, and should be reason to ask a lawyer for help.
The only reasonable sitation that this would be a valid reaction to would be if you lied on your CV in an important point. I am not talking about a little exaggeration, not something like blowing all technical questions where you did not have as much experience as one would like, but misstating hard facts, like making up a PHD. Something like that would be fraud, and an employee would be obligated, should he become aware of such a situation to limit the damage to his employer.
Even then, the behavior they showed is unprofessional - it should be clearly stated if that happens.
In all other cases the behavior is completely unusual, unprofessional, and should be reason to ask a lawyer for help.
answered 2 days ago
SaschaSascha
7,77221636
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I think even if (totally hypothetically, not saying this is the case) OP committed fraud by totally lying on their CV, canceling the ticket without informing OP, thus leaving OP stranded at the airport, is not a "valid reaction", and more than just unprofessional. If the company believed OP had committed fraud against them, they could have kept the ticket active, and then asked OP to pay back the travel costs. If OP refused, legal action would have been the most professional and acceptable play by the company, however, PR-wise, even that would probably not have been such a good idea.
– Revetahw
yesterday
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I agree with that. Even if OP blew all technical questions on a topic he claimed to be an expert in, I don't think this would justify canceling the ticket. Performance during interviews is not just about skills/ knowledge, it's also about the psychological and physical state the candidate is in for example. The only exception which would justify canceling the ticket is a "hard" lie, something which was obviously a deliberate attempt to mislead the company on a very important matter.
– BigMadAndy
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I think even if (totally hypothetically, not saying this is the case) OP committed fraud by totally lying on their CV, canceling the ticket without informing OP, thus leaving OP stranded at the airport, is not a "valid reaction", and more than just unprofessional. If the company believed OP had committed fraud against them, they could have kept the ticket active, and then asked OP to pay back the travel costs. If OP refused, legal action would have been the most professional and acceptable play by the company, however, PR-wise, even that would probably not have been such a good idea.
– Revetahw
yesterday
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I agree with that. Even if OP blew all technical questions on a topic he claimed to be an expert in, I don't think this would justify canceling the ticket. Performance during interviews is not just about skills/ knowledge, it's also about the psychological and physical state the candidate is in for example. The only exception which would justify canceling the ticket is a "hard" lie, something which was obviously a deliberate attempt to mislead the company on a very important matter.
– BigMadAndy
yesterday
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I think even if (totally hypothetically, not saying this is the case) OP committed fraud by totally lying on their CV, canceling the ticket without informing OP, thus leaving OP stranded at the airport, is not a "valid reaction", and more than just unprofessional. If the company believed OP had committed fraud against them, they could have kept the ticket active, and then asked OP to pay back the travel costs. If OP refused, legal action would have been the most professional and acceptable play by the company, however, PR-wise, even that would probably not have been such a good idea.
– Revetahw
yesterday
I think even if (totally hypothetically, not saying this is the case) OP committed fraud by totally lying on their CV, canceling the ticket without informing OP, thus leaving OP stranded at the airport, is not a "valid reaction", and more than just unprofessional. If the company believed OP had committed fraud against them, they could have kept the ticket active, and then asked OP to pay back the travel costs. If OP refused, legal action would have been the most professional and acceptable play by the company, however, PR-wise, even that would probably not have been such a good idea.
– Revetahw
yesterday
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I agree with that. Even if OP blew all technical questions on a topic he claimed to be an expert in, I don't think this would justify canceling the ticket. Performance during interviews is not just about skills/ knowledge, it's also about the psychological and physical state the candidate is in for example. The only exception which would justify canceling the ticket is a "hard" lie, something which was obviously a deliberate attempt to mislead the company on a very important matter.
– BigMadAndy
yesterday
I agree with that. Even if OP blew all technical questions on a topic he claimed to be an expert in, I don't think this would justify canceling the ticket. Performance during interviews is not just about skills/ knowledge, it's also about the psychological and physical state the candidate is in for example. The only exception which would justify canceling the ticket is a "hard" lie, something which was obviously a deliberate attempt to mislead the company on a very important matter.
– BigMadAndy
yesterday
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A returned ticket that had already been paid but cancelled, is more than reasonable if you committed a fraud. Didn't you mention you weren't able to answer a single interview question? I have my suspicion you lied on your resume. A very serious mislead on your resume.
Yes. It's legally and morally alright for cancelling your ticket in this case.
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There are many reasons why an honest person (and perhaps a good worker, too) would fail every question, from being misrepresented by the recruiter, to being "bombed" by the prospective manager who changed their mind before the interview even started, to a serious last-minute sickness. Accusing someone in serious need because of a hyperbole they used sounds very wrong.
– undercat
yesterday
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@SmallChess depending on how many questions there are and how specialized, this can happen. It's the company's duty to do phone screens et al before flying someone out.
– Magisch
yesterday
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Even if that were true, I wouldn't consider cancelling someone's already booked return flight a reasonable reaction. Trying to recover the entire sum (both flights and other costs) afterward would leave the company in a far less vulnerable position.
– Martijn Heemels
yesterday
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@SmallChess I find it pretty weird that all your counterpoints are "what if {insert extreme situation}." We don't know the what if, so we're not in the position to speculate it. What we do know is that this company and user came to an agreement, where the user would sacrifice their time to go out for an interview, and the company would pay for it. If the company felt cheated, they could go after it in small claims court. But it sounds like the user made it past vetting, and then they changed their mind and wanted to mitigate the cost of the mistake. Which is backed up by facts in the story.
– knocked loose
yesterday
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@SmallChess even then, the proper way to follow up on that is sue / pursue them later for costs, not to cancel their ticket. Even assuming your most extreme case, what they did wouldn't be legal or moral. And that is a large assumption.
– Magisch
yesterday
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A returned ticket that had already been paid but cancelled, is more than reasonable if you committed a fraud. Didn't you mention you weren't able to answer a single interview question? I have my suspicion you lied on your resume. A very serious mislead on your resume.
Yes. It's legally and morally alright for cancelling your ticket in this case.
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There are many reasons why an honest person (and perhaps a good worker, too) would fail every question, from being misrepresented by the recruiter, to being "bombed" by the prospective manager who changed their mind before the interview even started, to a serious last-minute sickness. Accusing someone in serious need because of a hyperbole they used sounds very wrong.
– undercat
yesterday
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@SmallChess depending on how many questions there are and how specialized, this can happen. It's the company's duty to do phone screens et al before flying someone out.
– Magisch
yesterday
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Even if that were true, I wouldn't consider cancelling someone's already booked return flight a reasonable reaction. Trying to recover the entire sum (both flights and other costs) afterward would leave the company in a far less vulnerable position.
– Martijn Heemels
yesterday
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@SmallChess I find it pretty weird that all your counterpoints are "what if {insert extreme situation}." We don't know the what if, so we're not in the position to speculate it. What we do know is that this company and user came to an agreement, where the user would sacrifice their time to go out for an interview, and the company would pay for it. If the company felt cheated, they could go after it in small claims court. But it sounds like the user made it past vetting, and then they changed their mind and wanted to mitigate the cost of the mistake. Which is backed up by facts in the story.
– knocked loose
yesterday
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@SmallChess even then, the proper way to follow up on that is sue / pursue them later for costs, not to cancel their ticket. Even assuming your most extreme case, what they did wouldn't be legal or moral. And that is a large assumption.
– Magisch
yesterday
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A returned ticket that had already been paid but cancelled, is more than reasonable if you committed a fraud. Didn't you mention you weren't able to answer a single interview question? I have my suspicion you lied on your resume. A very serious mislead on your resume.
Yes. It's legally and morally alright for cancelling your ticket in this case.
A returned ticket that had already been paid but cancelled, is more than reasonable if you committed a fraud. Didn't you mention you weren't able to answer a single interview question? I have my suspicion you lied on your resume. A very serious mislead on your resume.
Yes. It's legally and morally alright for cancelling your ticket in this case.
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There are many reasons why an honest person (and perhaps a good worker, too) would fail every question, from being misrepresented by the recruiter, to being "bombed" by the prospective manager who changed their mind before the interview even started, to a serious last-minute sickness. Accusing someone in serious need because of a hyperbole they used sounds very wrong.
– undercat
yesterday
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@SmallChess depending on how many questions there are and how specialized, this can happen. It's the company's duty to do phone screens et al before flying someone out.
– Magisch
yesterday
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Even if that were true, I wouldn't consider cancelling someone's already booked return flight a reasonable reaction. Trying to recover the entire sum (both flights and other costs) afterward would leave the company in a far less vulnerable position.
– Martijn Heemels
yesterday
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@SmallChess I find it pretty weird that all your counterpoints are "what if {insert extreme situation}." We don't know the what if, so we're not in the position to speculate it. What we do know is that this company and user came to an agreement, where the user would sacrifice their time to go out for an interview, and the company would pay for it. If the company felt cheated, they could go after it in small claims court. But it sounds like the user made it past vetting, and then they changed their mind and wanted to mitigate the cost of the mistake. Which is backed up by facts in the story.
– knocked loose
yesterday
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@SmallChess even then, the proper way to follow up on that is sue / pursue them later for costs, not to cancel their ticket. Even assuming your most extreme case, what they did wouldn't be legal or moral. And that is a large assumption.
– Magisch
yesterday
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There are many reasons why an honest person (and perhaps a good worker, too) would fail every question, from being misrepresented by the recruiter, to being "bombed" by the prospective manager who changed their mind before the interview even started, to a serious last-minute sickness. Accusing someone in serious need because of a hyperbole they used sounds very wrong.
– undercat
yesterday
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@SmallChess depending on how many questions there are and how specialized, this can happen. It's the company's duty to do phone screens et al before flying someone out.
– Magisch
yesterday
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Even if that were true, I wouldn't consider cancelling someone's already booked return flight a reasonable reaction. Trying to recover the entire sum (both flights and other costs) afterward would leave the company in a far less vulnerable position.
– Martijn Heemels
yesterday
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@SmallChess I find it pretty weird that all your counterpoints are "what if {insert extreme situation}." We don't know the what if, so we're not in the position to speculate it. What we do know is that this company and user came to an agreement, where the user would sacrifice their time to go out for an interview, and the company would pay for it. If the company felt cheated, they could go after it in small claims court. But it sounds like the user made it past vetting, and then they changed their mind and wanted to mitigate the cost of the mistake. Which is backed up by facts in the story.
– knocked loose
yesterday
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@SmallChess even then, the proper way to follow up on that is sue / pursue them later for costs, not to cancel their ticket. Even assuming your most extreme case, what they did wouldn't be legal or moral. And that is a large assumption.
– Magisch
yesterday
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There are many reasons why an honest person (and perhaps a good worker, too) would fail every question, from being misrepresented by the recruiter, to being "bombed" by the prospective manager who changed their mind before the interview even started, to a serious last-minute sickness. Accusing someone in serious need because of a hyperbole they used sounds very wrong.
– undercat
yesterday
There are many reasons why an honest person (and perhaps a good worker, too) would fail every question, from being misrepresented by the recruiter, to being "bombed" by the prospective manager who changed their mind before the interview even started, to a serious last-minute sickness. Accusing someone in serious need because of a hyperbole they used sounds very wrong.
– undercat
yesterday
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@SmallChess depending on how many questions there are and how specialized, this can happen. It's the company's duty to do phone screens et al before flying someone out.
– Magisch
yesterday
@SmallChess depending on how many questions there are and how specialized, this can happen. It's the company's duty to do phone screens et al before flying someone out.
– Magisch
yesterday
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Even if that were true, I wouldn't consider cancelling someone's already booked return flight a reasonable reaction. Trying to recover the entire sum (both flights and other costs) afterward would leave the company in a far less vulnerable position.
– Martijn Heemels
yesterday
Even if that were true, I wouldn't consider cancelling someone's already booked return flight a reasonable reaction. Trying to recover the entire sum (both flights and other costs) afterward would leave the company in a far less vulnerable position.
– Martijn Heemels
yesterday
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@SmallChess I find it pretty weird that all your counterpoints are "what if {insert extreme situation}." We don't know the what if, so we're not in the position to speculate it. What we do know is that this company and user came to an agreement, where the user would sacrifice their time to go out for an interview, and the company would pay for it. If the company felt cheated, they could go after it in small claims court. But it sounds like the user made it past vetting, and then they changed their mind and wanted to mitigate the cost of the mistake. Which is backed up by facts in the story.
– knocked loose
yesterday
@SmallChess I find it pretty weird that all your counterpoints are "what if {insert extreme situation}." We don't know the what if, so we're not in the position to speculate it. What we do know is that this company and user came to an agreement, where the user would sacrifice their time to go out for an interview, and the company would pay for it. If the company felt cheated, they could go after it in small claims court. But it sounds like the user made it past vetting, and then they changed their mind and wanted to mitigate the cost of the mistake. Which is backed up by facts in the story.
– knocked loose
yesterday
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@SmallChess even then, the proper way to follow up on that is sue / pursue them later for costs, not to cancel their ticket. Even assuming your most extreme case, what they did wouldn't be legal or moral. And that is a large assumption.
– Magisch
yesterday
@SmallChess even then, the proper way to follow up on that is sue / pursue them later for costs, not to cancel their ticket. Even assuming your most extreme case, what they did wouldn't be legal or moral. And that is a large assumption.
– Magisch
yesterday
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@Snah Have you considered invoicing them for the full costs of getting home?
– Criggie
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The only reason I can see for them to do that is that they felt your application was deceiving to the degree of being (at least morally) fraudulent. That may still not excuse their behavior, but I simply try to put myself in their shoes in order to find a coherent story. So just imagine the following scenario: (tbc)
– Peter A. Schneider
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(ctd.) They were looking for a senior developer for the position of a system architect for their, say, e-commerce portal. Your CV looks promising: Years of experience in the field, relevant hard and soft skills etc. They are in the SF bay area and pay for your flight across the country, the managers make time in their work week for you. But in the interview you can in fact not understand simple programs, cannot name any important concepts of software engineering, have never done web front ends. They feel that you conned them into paying for your vacation flight, so they cancel the return.
– Peter A. Schneider
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