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I'm looking to book a multi-city itinerary on Air France, specifically CDG-->KIX (Paris CDG to Kansai International) and KIX-->LHR (Kansai International to London Heathrow).



Air France operates flights for both these pairs, and it seems I would be able to book them separately without any issue (though very expensive, of course). However, I can't book them together (for any amount of money). When I search through ITA Matrix, this combination on Air France does not show up (even though both one-ways show up).



When I search on the Air France website, I get a little bit of hope, since on the first page after the search it indeed lists many flights in both directions. However when I select which flights I want, it gives me a strange error message "There are no flights available. Please modify your travel dates." (even though it just displayed available flights!).



Is there any hope of booking this combination, perhaps through a SkyTeam partner, or does Air France simply disallow this sort of flight combination?



By the way, the combination CDG-->KIX and NRT-->CDG seems to be easily bookable.










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  • It is possible that they are not allowed to offer it because of the rights they have or have not negotiated (and are paying for) with those countries. Read up on Freedom of the Air rights.

    – Aganju
    yesterday













  • Possible duplicate of travel.stackexchange.com/questions/66859/…

    – JonathanReez
    yesterday






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    All those KIX-LHR itineraries have a transfer at CDG anyway.

    – Michael Hampton
    23 hours ago






  • 1





    I don't know if it helps, but sometimes (not always) when you phone them they can do things like this, which, the web site won't do.

    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 1





    @Aganju If they can be booked separately, then that's not the issue. Also, the KIX-LHR is really KIX-CDG-LHR, so rights of the air isn't really an issue there anyway.

    – reirab
    11 hours ago
















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I'm looking to book a multi-city itinerary on Air France, specifically CDG-->KIX (Paris CDG to Kansai International) and KIX-->LHR (Kansai International to London Heathrow).



Air France operates flights for both these pairs, and it seems I would be able to book them separately without any issue (though very expensive, of course). However, I can't book them together (for any amount of money). When I search through ITA Matrix, this combination on Air France does not show up (even though both one-ways show up).



When I search on the Air France website, I get a little bit of hope, since on the first page after the search it indeed lists many flights in both directions. However when I select which flights I want, it gives me a strange error message "There are no flights available. Please modify your travel dates." (even though it just displayed available flights!).



Is there any hope of booking this combination, perhaps through a SkyTeam partner, or does Air France simply disallow this sort of flight combination?



By the way, the combination CDG-->KIX and NRT-->CDG seems to be easily bookable.










share|improve this question

























  • It is possible that they are not allowed to offer it because of the rights they have or have not negotiated (and are paying for) with those countries. Read up on Freedom of the Air rights.

    – Aganju
    yesterday













  • Possible duplicate of travel.stackexchange.com/questions/66859/…

    – JonathanReez
    yesterday






  • 4





    All those KIX-LHR itineraries have a transfer at CDG anyway.

    – Michael Hampton
    23 hours ago






  • 1





    I don't know if it helps, but sometimes (not always) when you phone them they can do things like this, which, the web site won't do.

    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 1





    @Aganju If they can be booked separately, then that's not the issue. Also, the KIX-LHR is really KIX-CDG-LHR, so rights of the air isn't really an issue there anyway.

    – reirab
    11 hours ago














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I'm looking to book a multi-city itinerary on Air France, specifically CDG-->KIX (Paris CDG to Kansai International) and KIX-->LHR (Kansai International to London Heathrow).



Air France operates flights for both these pairs, and it seems I would be able to book them separately without any issue (though very expensive, of course). However, I can't book them together (for any amount of money). When I search through ITA Matrix, this combination on Air France does not show up (even though both one-ways show up).



When I search on the Air France website, I get a little bit of hope, since on the first page after the search it indeed lists many flights in both directions. However when I select which flights I want, it gives me a strange error message "There are no flights available. Please modify your travel dates." (even though it just displayed available flights!).



Is there any hope of booking this combination, perhaps through a SkyTeam partner, or does Air France simply disallow this sort of flight combination?



By the way, the combination CDG-->KIX and NRT-->CDG seems to be easily bookable.










share|improve this question
















I'm looking to book a multi-city itinerary on Air France, specifically CDG-->KIX (Paris CDG to Kansai International) and KIX-->LHR (Kansai International to London Heathrow).



Air France operates flights for both these pairs, and it seems I would be able to book them separately without any issue (though very expensive, of course). However, I can't book them together (for any amount of money). When I search through ITA Matrix, this combination on Air France does not show up (even though both one-ways show up).



When I search on the Air France website, I get a little bit of hope, since on the first page after the search it indeed lists many flights in both directions. However when I select which flights I want, it gives me a strange error message "There are no flights available. Please modify your travel dates." (even though it just displayed available flights!).



Is there any hope of booking this combination, perhaps through a SkyTeam partner, or does Air France simply disallow this sort of flight combination?



By the way, the combination CDG-->KIX and NRT-->CDG seems to be easily bookable.







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  • It is possible that they are not allowed to offer it because of the rights they have or have not negotiated (and are paying for) with those countries. Read up on Freedom of the Air rights.

    – Aganju
    yesterday













  • Possible duplicate of travel.stackexchange.com/questions/66859/…

    – JonathanReez
    yesterday






  • 4





    All those KIX-LHR itineraries have a transfer at CDG anyway.

    – Michael Hampton
    23 hours ago






  • 1





    I don't know if it helps, but sometimes (not always) when you phone them they can do things like this, which, the web site won't do.

    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 1





    @Aganju If they can be booked separately, then that's not the issue. Also, the KIX-LHR is really KIX-CDG-LHR, so rights of the air isn't really an issue there anyway.

    – reirab
    11 hours ago



















  • It is possible that they are not allowed to offer it because of the rights they have or have not negotiated (and are paying for) with those countries. Read up on Freedom of the Air rights.

    – Aganju
    yesterday













  • Possible duplicate of travel.stackexchange.com/questions/66859/…

    – JonathanReez
    yesterday






  • 4





    All those KIX-LHR itineraries have a transfer at CDG anyway.

    – Michael Hampton
    23 hours ago






  • 1





    I don't know if it helps, but sometimes (not always) when you phone them they can do things like this, which, the web site won't do.

    – Fattie
    16 hours ago






  • 1





    @Aganju If they can be booked separately, then that's not the issue. Also, the KIX-LHR is really KIX-CDG-LHR, so rights of the air isn't really an issue there anyway.

    – reirab
    11 hours ago

















It is possible that they are not allowed to offer it because of the rights they have or have not negotiated (and are paying for) with those countries. Read up on Freedom of the Air rights.

– Aganju
yesterday







It is possible that they are not allowed to offer it because of the rights they have or have not negotiated (and are paying for) with those countries. Read up on Freedom of the Air rights.

– Aganju
yesterday















Possible duplicate of travel.stackexchange.com/questions/66859/…

– JonathanReez
yesterday





Possible duplicate of travel.stackexchange.com/questions/66859/…

– JonathanReez
yesterday




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All those KIX-LHR itineraries have a transfer at CDG anyway.

– Michael Hampton
23 hours ago





All those KIX-LHR itineraries have a transfer at CDG anyway.

– Michael Hampton
23 hours ago




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I don't know if it helps, but sometimes (not always) when you phone them they can do things like this, which, the web site won't do.

– Fattie
16 hours ago





I don't know if it helps, but sometimes (not always) when you phone them they can do things like this, which, the web site won't do.

– Fattie
16 hours ago




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@Aganju If they can be booked separately, then that's not the issue. Also, the KIX-LHR is really KIX-CDG-LHR, so rights of the air isn't really an issue there anyway.

– reirab
11 hours ago





@Aganju If they can be booked separately, then that's not the issue. Also, the KIX-LHR is really KIX-CDG-LHR, so rights of the air isn't really an issue there anyway.

– reirab
11 hours ago










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To be able to book a combination of flights, the airline has to publish a fare which allows this combination. If that didn't happen, then it can be the case like you have noticed, that you could book two flights separately as one-ways, but not together as open-jaw or return. As long as the airline doesn't add a fare for the combination, there is nothing you can do. Theoretically it could be possible to buy those flights together, if a code share partner has published a valid return fare.






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    This excellent answer by @Calchas, while for a different route on AF/KLM, happens to have the answer for your route as well - for whatever reason, they don't allow origin open jaws where the origins are in different countries.



    I looked up Air France's fare rules for a first class flight from CDG-KIX, and they include the following (among many other rules). I'm not sure if these rules are easily accessible for the public at large, though.



    OPEN JAWS

    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
    -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO
    MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN
    SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN
    SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS.





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      doe this imply that adding a third segment, LHR-CDG, would make the combo something that could be sold? OP could always arrange a year or so "stopover" in LHR before using the 3rd segment.

      – Kate Gregory
      yesterday






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      Sounds like a good idea, but empirically, based on trying the Air France site, the answer seems to be no. There's separate sets of rules for stopovers, but I'm not really proficient enough in reading them to say for sure why it doesn't work.

      – user3761894
      yesterday






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      @KateGregory Not sure about AF, but for many airlines, there are restrictions on stopovers. The lowest fares usually don't allow them at all, and there may be additional costs for other discount fares. There may also be restrictions on where the stopover may happen.

      – jcaron
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      How about booking it so it's not a stopover, just a plane change at LHR? Don't board the plane for the last segment of the trip LHR-CDG.

      – Harper
      yesterday








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      Note that for all intents and purposes KLM is Air France..

      – George M
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    While user3761894's answer is unfortunately correct that AF will not issue such a ticket, there is one way around this that should be much cheaper than booking as two separate one-way flights: Book a round-trip from CDG to KIX and then book a separate one-way flight to LHR on a new reservation.



    The downside to this option is that, with it not being booked on the same ticket, they're technically not responsible if a delay causes you to misconnect at CDG, but the CDG-LHR flight isn't that expensive anyway, so it's not that big of a risk. Plus, if you book Air France for both flights, they'd probably be willing to reschedule you anyway if a delay on your KIX-CDG flight caused you to miss the CDG-LHR one, even though they'd not be legally obligated to do so. Especially if you explained that you were simply not able to book them on the same itinerary because of the open-jaw fare rules mentioned in user3761894's answer.



    Looking at a random date in February 2019, the CDG-LHR segment would be $135 with a stop in AMS or $170 direct if booked through Air France. Of course, the AMS-LHR segment would be operated by KLM if you booked one of the options with a layover at AMS.






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      The Air France flight from KIX to LHR (Osaka to London) may only be available on a limited schedule, or a code share since most international carriers need to fly to or from their home country. Since you want to do a stop over in Japan and come from and go to different countries it would easier to book the flight on an Japanese carrier like ANA or JAL.






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        To be able to book a combination of flights, the airline has to publish a fare which allows this combination. If that didn't happen, then it can be the case like you have noticed, that you could book two flights separately as one-ways, but not together as open-jaw or return. As long as the airline doesn't add a fare for the combination, there is nothing you can do. Theoretically it could be possible to buy those flights together, if a code share partner has published a valid return fare.






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          To be able to book a combination of flights, the airline has to publish a fare which allows this combination. If that didn't happen, then it can be the case like you have noticed, that you could book two flights separately as one-ways, but not together as open-jaw or return. As long as the airline doesn't add a fare for the combination, there is nothing you can do. Theoretically it could be possible to buy those flights together, if a code share partner has published a valid return fare.






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            To be able to book a combination of flights, the airline has to publish a fare which allows this combination. If that didn't happen, then it can be the case like you have noticed, that you could book two flights separately as one-ways, but not together as open-jaw or return. As long as the airline doesn't add a fare for the combination, there is nothing you can do. Theoretically it could be possible to buy those flights together, if a code share partner has published a valid return fare.






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            To be able to book a combination of flights, the airline has to publish a fare which allows this combination. If that didn't happen, then it can be the case like you have noticed, that you could book two flights separately as one-ways, but not together as open-jaw or return. As long as the airline doesn't add a fare for the combination, there is nothing you can do. Theoretically it could be possible to buy those flights together, if a code share partner has published a valid return fare.







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                This excellent answer by @Calchas, while for a different route on AF/KLM, happens to have the answer for your route as well - for whatever reason, they don't allow origin open jaws where the origins are in different countries.



                I looked up Air France's fare rules for a first class flight from CDG-KIX, and they include the following (among many other rules). I'm not sure if these rules are easily accessible for the public at large, though.



                OPEN JAWS

                FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
                -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO
                MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS.





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                  doe this imply that adding a third segment, LHR-CDG, would make the combo something that could be sold? OP could always arrange a year or so "stopover" in LHR before using the 3rd segment.

                  – Kate Gregory
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  Sounds like a good idea, but empirically, based on trying the Air France site, the answer seems to be no. There's separate sets of rules for stopovers, but I'm not really proficient enough in reading them to say for sure why it doesn't work.

                  – user3761894
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  @KateGregory Not sure about AF, but for many airlines, there are restrictions on stopovers. The lowest fares usually don't allow them at all, and there may be additional costs for other discount fares. There may also be restrictions on where the stopover may happen.

                  – jcaron
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  How about booking it so it's not a stopover, just a plane change at LHR? Don't board the plane for the last segment of the trip LHR-CDG.

                  – Harper
                  yesterday








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                  Note that for all intents and purposes KLM is Air France..

                  – George M
                  yesterday
















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                This excellent answer by @Calchas, while for a different route on AF/KLM, happens to have the answer for your route as well - for whatever reason, they don't allow origin open jaws where the origins are in different countries.



                I looked up Air France's fare rules for a first class flight from CDG-KIX, and they include the following (among many other rules). I'm not sure if these rules are easily accessible for the public at large, though.



                OPEN JAWS

                FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
                -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO
                MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS.





                share|improve this answer



















                • 4





                  doe this imply that adding a third segment, LHR-CDG, would make the combo something that could be sold? OP could always arrange a year or so "stopover" in LHR before using the 3rd segment.

                  – Kate Gregory
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  Sounds like a good idea, but empirically, based on trying the Air France site, the answer seems to be no. There's separate sets of rules for stopovers, but I'm not really proficient enough in reading them to say for sure why it doesn't work.

                  – user3761894
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  @KateGregory Not sure about AF, but for many airlines, there are restrictions on stopovers. The lowest fares usually don't allow them at all, and there may be additional costs for other discount fares. There may also be restrictions on where the stopover may happen.

                  – jcaron
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  How about booking it so it's not a stopover, just a plane change at LHR? Don't board the plane for the last segment of the trip LHR-CDG.

                  – Harper
                  yesterday








                • 1





                  Note that for all intents and purposes KLM is Air France..

                  – George M
                  yesterday














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                This excellent answer by @Calchas, while for a different route on AF/KLM, happens to have the answer for your route as well - for whatever reason, they don't allow origin open jaws where the origins are in different countries.



                I looked up Air France's fare rules for a first class flight from CDG-KIX, and they include the following (among many other rules). I'm not sure if these rules are easily accessible for the public at large, though.



                OPEN JAWS

                FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
                -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO
                MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS.





                share|improve this answer













                This excellent answer by @Calchas, while for a different route on AF/KLM, happens to have the answer for your route as well - for whatever reason, they don't allow origin open jaws where the origins are in different countries.



                I looked up Air France's fare rules for a first class flight from CDG-KIX, and they include the following (among many other rules). I'm not sure if these rules are easily accessible for the public at large, though.



                OPEN JAWS

                FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
                -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS WHICH CONSISTS OF NO
                MORE THAN 2 INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS AND THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT ORIGIN MUST BE IN ONE COUNTRY. THE OPEN
                SEGMENT AT DESTINATION HAS NO RESTRICTIONS.






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                  doe this imply that adding a third segment, LHR-CDG, would make the combo something that could be sold? OP could always arrange a year or so "stopover" in LHR before using the 3rd segment.

                  – Kate Gregory
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  Sounds like a good idea, but empirically, based on trying the Air France site, the answer seems to be no. There's separate sets of rules for stopovers, but I'm not really proficient enough in reading them to say for sure why it doesn't work.

                  – user3761894
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  @KateGregory Not sure about AF, but for many airlines, there are restrictions on stopovers. The lowest fares usually don't allow them at all, and there may be additional costs for other discount fares. There may also be restrictions on where the stopover may happen.

                  – jcaron
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  How about booking it so it's not a stopover, just a plane change at LHR? Don't board the plane for the last segment of the trip LHR-CDG.

                  – Harper
                  yesterday








                • 1





                  Note that for all intents and purposes KLM is Air France..

                  – George M
                  yesterday














                • 4





                  doe this imply that adding a third segment, LHR-CDG, would make the combo something that could be sold? OP could always arrange a year or so "stopover" in LHR before using the 3rd segment.

                  – Kate Gregory
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  Sounds like a good idea, but empirically, based on trying the Air France site, the answer seems to be no. There's separate sets of rules for stopovers, but I'm not really proficient enough in reading them to say for sure why it doesn't work.

                  – user3761894
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  @KateGregory Not sure about AF, but for many airlines, there are restrictions on stopovers. The lowest fares usually don't allow them at all, and there may be additional costs for other discount fares. There may also be restrictions on where the stopover may happen.

                  – jcaron
                  yesterday






                • 1





                  How about booking it so it's not a stopover, just a plane change at LHR? Don't board the plane for the last segment of the trip LHR-CDG.

                  – Harper
                  yesterday








                • 1





                  Note that for all intents and purposes KLM is Air France..

                  – George M
                  yesterday








                4




                4





                doe this imply that adding a third segment, LHR-CDG, would make the combo something that could be sold? OP could always arrange a year or so "stopover" in LHR before using the 3rd segment.

                – Kate Gregory
                yesterday





                doe this imply that adding a third segment, LHR-CDG, would make the combo something that could be sold? OP could always arrange a year or so "stopover" in LHR before using the 3rd segment.

                – Kate Gregory
                yesterday




                1




                1





                Sounds like a good idea, but empirically, based on trying the Air France site, the answer seems to be no. There's separate sets of rules for stopovers, but I'm not really proficient enough in reading them to say for sure why it doesn't work.

                – user3761894
                yesterday





                Sounds like a good idea, but empirically, based on trying the Air France site, the answer seems to be no. There's separate sets of rules for stopovers, but I'm not really proficient enough in reading them to say for sure why it doesn't work.

                – user3761894
                yesterday




                1




                1





                @KateGregory Not sure about AF, but for many airlines, there are restrictions on stopovers. The lowest fares usually don't allow them at all, and there may be additional costs for other discount fares. There may also be restrictions on where the stopover may happen.

                – jcaron
                yesterday





                @KateGregory Not sure about AF, but for many airlines, there are restrictions on stopovers. The lowest fares usually don't allow them at all, and there may be additional costs for other discount fares. There may also be restrictions on where the stopover may happen.

                – jcaron
                yesterday




                1




                1





                How about booking it so it's not a stopover, just a plane change at LHR? Don't board the plane for the last segment of the trip LHR-CDG.

                – Harper
                yesterday







                How about booking it so it's not a stopover, just a plane change at LHR? Don't board the plane for the last segment of the trip LHR-CDG.

                – Harper
                yesterday






                1




                1





                Note that for all intents and purposes KLM is Air France..

                – George M
                yesterday





                Note that for all intents and purposes KLM is Air France..

                – George M
                yesterday











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                While user3761894's answer is unfortunately correct that AF will not issue such a ticket, there is one way around this that should be much cheaper than booking as two separate one-way flights: Book a round-trip from CDG to KIX and then book a separate one-way flight to LHR on a new reservation.



                The downside to this option is that, with it not being booked on the same ticket, they're technically not responsible if a delay causes you to misconnect at CDG, but the CDG-LHR flight isn't that expensive anyway, so it's not that big of a risk. Plus, if you book Air France for both flights, they'd probably be willing to reschedule you anyway if a delay on your KIX-CDG flight caused you to miss the CDG-LHR one, even though they'd not be legally obligated to do so. Especially if you explained that you were simply not able to book them on the same itinerary because of the open-jaw fare rules mentioned in user3761894's answer.



                Looking at a random date in February 2019, the CDG-LHR segment would be $135 with a stop in AMS or $170 direct if booked through Air France. Of course, the AMS-LHR segment would be operated by KLM if you booked one of the options with a layover at AMS.






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                  While user3761894's answer is unfortunately correct that AF will not issue such a ticket, there is one way around this that should be much cheaper than booking as two separate one-way flights: Book a round-trip from CDG to KIX and then book a separate one-way flight to LHR on a new reservation.



                  The downside to this option is that, with it not being booked on the same ticket, they're technically not responsible if a delay causes you to misconnect at CDG, but the CDG-LHR flight isn't that expensive anyway, so it's not that big of a risk. Plus, if you book Air France for both flights, they'd probably be willing to reschedule you anyway if a delay on your KIX-CDG flight caused you to miss the CDG-LHR one, even though they'd not be legally obligated to do so. Especially if you explained that you were simply not able to book them on the same itinerary because of the open-jaw fare rules mentioned in user3761894's answer.



                  Looking at a random date in February 2019, the CDG-LHR segment would be $135 with a stop in AMS or $170 direct if booked through Air France. Of course, the AMS-LHR segment would be operated by KLM if you booked one of the options with a layover at AMS.






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                    While user3761894's answer is unfortunately correct that AF will not issue such a ticket, there is one way around this that should be much cheaper than booking as two separate one-way flights: Book a round-trip from CDG to KIX and then book a separate one-way flight to LHR on a new reservation.



                    The downside to this option is that, with it not being booked on the same ticket, they're technically not responsible if a delay causes you to misconnect at CDG, but the CDG-LHR flight isn't that expensive anyway, so it's not that big of a risk. Plus, if you book Air France for both flights, they'd probably be willing to reschedule you anyway if a delay on your KIX-CDG flight caused you to miss the CDG-LHR one, even though they'd not be legally obligated to do so. Especially if you explained that you were simply not able to book them on the same itinerary because of the open-jaw fare rules mentioned in user3761894's answer.



                    Looking at a random date in February 2019, the CDG-LHR segment would be $135 with a stop in AMS or $170 direct if booked through Air France. Of course, the AMS-LHR segment would be operated by KLM if you booked one of the options with a layover at AMS.






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                    While user3761894's answer is unfortunately correct that AF will not issue such a ticket, there is one way around this that should be much cheaper than booking as two separate one-way flights: Book a round-trip from CDG to KIX and then book a separate one-way flight to LHR on a new reservation.



                    The downside to this option is that, with it not being booked on the same ticket, they're technically not responsible if a delay causes you to misconnect at CDG, but the CDG-LHR flight isn't that expensive anyway, so it's not that big of a risk. Plus, if you book Air France for both flights, they'd probably be willing to reschedule you anyway if a delay on your KIX-CDG flight caused you to miss the CDG-LHR one, even though they'd not be legally obligated to do so. Especially if you explained that you were simply not able to book them on the same itinerary because of the open-jaw fare rules mentioned in user3761894's answer.



                    Looking at a random date in February 2019, the CDG-LHR segment would be $135 with a stop in AMS or $170 direct if booked through Air France. Of course, the AMS-LHR segment would be operated by KLM if you booked one of the options with a layover at AMS.







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                        The Air France flight from KIX to LHR (Osaka to London) may only be available on a limited schedule, or a code share since most international carriers need to fly to or from their home country. Since you want to do a stop over in Japan and come from and go to different countries it would easier to book the flight on an Japanese carrier like ANA or JAL.






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                          The Air France flight from KIX to LHR (Osaka to London) may only be available on a limited schedule, or a code share since most international carriers need to fly to or from their home country. Since you want to do a stop over in Japan and come from and go to different countries it would easier to book the flight on an Japanese carrier like ANA or JAL.






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                            The Air France flight from KIX to LHR (Osaka to London) may only be available on a limited schedule, or a code share since most international carriers need to fly to or from their home country. Since you want to do a stop over in Japan and come from and go to different countries it would easier to book the flight on an Japanese carrier like ANA or JAL.






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                            The Air France flight from KIX to LHR (Osaka to London) may only be available on a limited schedule, or a code share since most international carriers need to fly to or from their home country. Since you want to do a stop over in Japan and come from and go to different countries it would easier to book the flight on an Japanese carrier like ANA or JAL.







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