How can the probability of a fumble decrease linearly with more dice?
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I'm working on a simplified RPG system that uses only D6s, and I want a mechanic for fumbles/critical fails.
Depending on how good the player character is, they have 1-5 dice to roll and they have to beat a difficulty set by the DM. I thought it would be fun to have players fail if they roll all 1s, but realized it makes it way too hard to fail if you have 5 dice, and a bit too easy if you have 1. Is there a more linear way of defining critical fails?
This is what I get if fumbles are on all dice showing 1s:
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{16.67%} \
text{2} & text{2.78%} \
text{3} & text{0.46%} \
text{4} & text{0.08%} \
text{5} & text{0.01%} \
hline
end{array}
$
What I would like (approximately, exact numbers are not that important):
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{18%} \
text{2} & text{15%} \
text{3} & text{12%} \
text{4} & text{9%} \
text{5} & text{6%} \
hline
end{array}
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I'm working on a simplified RPG system that uses only D6s, and I want a mechanic for fumbles/critical fails.
Depending on how good the player character is, they have 1-5 dice to roll and they have to beat a difficulty set by the DM. I thought it would be fun to have players fail if they roll all 1s, but realized it makes it way too hard to fail if you have 5 dice, and a bit too easy if you have 1. Is there a more linear way of defining critical fails?
This is what I get if fumbles are on all dice showing 1s:
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{16.67%} \
text{2} & text{2.78%} \
text{3} & text{0.46%} \
text{4} & text{0.08%} \
text{5} & text{0.01%} \
hline
end{array}
$
What I would like (approximately, exact numbers are not that important):
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{18%} \
text{2} & text{15%} \
text{3} & text{12%} \
text{4} & text{9%} \
text{5} & text{6%} \
hline
end{array}
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Is there a reason your desired outcome doesn't begin with 16.67% failure rate on 1d6?
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– Ifusaso
5 hours ago
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In your second table, when you say 'Probability of all 1's' you really mean 'Probability of failure', right? Given that you states you don't want to use the all 1 condition, some other failure condition that satisfies those general probabilities would work?
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– GreySage
4 hours ago
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@lfusaso, nope, I only need something that reduces with a fixed number of percent per added die.
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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@GreySage Thanks, sloppy copy :P
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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How extensible do you need this table? Does it need to handle more than 5 d6 dice rolled at once, or is it capped at 5 dice for any possible roll?
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I'm working on a simplified RPG system that uses only D6s, and I want a mechanic for fumbles/critical fails.
Depending on how good the player character is, they have 1-5 dice to roll and they have to beat a difficulty set by the DM. I thought it would be fun to have players fail if they roll all 1s, but realized it makes it way too hard to fail if you have 5 dice, and a bit too easy if you have 1. Is there a more linear way of defining critical fails?
This is what I get if fumbles are on all dice showing 1s:
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{16.67%} \
text{2} & text{2.78%} \
text{3} & text{0.46%} \
text{4} & text{0.08%} \
text{5} & text{0.01%} \
hline
end{array}
$
What I would like (approximately, exact numbers are not that important):
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{18%} \
text{2} & text{15%} \
text{3} & text{12%} \
text{4} & text{9%} \
text{5} & text{6%} \
hline
end{array}
$
dice game-design statistics critical-fail
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I'm working on a simplified RPG system that uses only D6s, and I want a mechanic for fumbles/critical fails.
Depending on how good the player character is, they have 1-5 dice to roll and they have to beat a difficulty set by the DM. I thought it would be fun to have players fail if they roll all 1s, but realized it makes it way too hard to fail if you have 5 dice, and a bit too easy if you have 1. Is there a more linear way of defining critical fails?
This is what I get if fumbles are on all dice showing 1s:
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{16.67%} \
text{2} & text{2.78%} \
text{3} & text{0.46%} \
text{4} & text{0.08%} \
text{5} & text{0.01%} \
hline
end{array}
$
What I would like (approximately, exact numbers are not that important):
$begin{array}{|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Number of Dice} & textbf{Probability of Fumble} \
hline
text{1} & text{18%} \
text{2} & text{15%} \
text{3} & text{12%} \
text{4} & text{9%} \
text{5} & text{6%} \
hline
end{array}
$
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Is there a reason your desired outcome doesn't begin with 16.67% failure rate on 1d6?
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– Ifusaso
5 hours ago
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In your second table, when you say 'Probability of all 1's' you really mean 'Probability of failure', right? Given that you states you don't want to use the all 1 condition, some other failure condition that satisfies those general probabilities would work?
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– GreySage
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@lfusaso, nope, I only need something that reduces with a fixed number of percent per added die.
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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@GreySage Thanks, sloppy copy :P
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How extensible do you need this table? Does it need to handle more than 5 d6 dice rolled at once, or is it capped at 5 dice for any possible roll?
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– Xirema
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Is there a reason your desired outcome doesn't begin with 16.67% failure rate on 1d6?
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– Ifusaso
5 hours ago
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In your second table, when you say 'Probability of all 1's' you really mean 'Probability of failure', right? Given that you states you don't want to use the all 1 condition, some other failure condition that satisfies those general probabilities would work?
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– GreySage
4 hours ago
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@lfusaso, nope, I only need something that reduces with a fixed number of percent per added die.
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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@GreySage Thanks, sloppy copy :P
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– Himmators
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How extensible do you need this table? Does it need to handle more than 5 d6 dice rolled at once, or is it capped at 5 dice for any possible roll?
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– Xirema
4 hours ago
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Is there a reason your desired outcome doesn't begin with 16.67% failure rate on 1d6?
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– Ifusaso
5 hours ago
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Is there a reason your desired outcome doesn't begin with 16.67% failure rate on 1d6?
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– Ifusaso
5 hours ago
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In your second table, when you say 'Probability of all 1's' you really mean 'Probability of failure', right? Given that you states you don't want to use the all 1 condition, some other failure condition that satisfies those general probabilities would work?
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– GreySage
4 hours ago
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In your second table, when you say 'Probability of all 1's' you really mean 'Probability of failure', right? Given that you states you don't want to use the all 1 condition, some other failure condition that satisfies those general probabilities would work?
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– GreySage
4 hours ago
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@lfusaso, nope, I only need something that reduces with a fixed number of percent per added die.
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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@lfusaso, nope, I only need something that reduces with a fixed number of percent per added die.
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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@GreySage Thanks, sloppy copy :P
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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@GreySage Thanks, sloppy copy :P
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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How extensible do you need this table? Does it need to handle more than 5 d6 dice rolled at once, or is it capped at 5 dice for any possible roll?
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– Xirema
4 hours ago
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How extensible do you need this table? Does it need to handle more than 5 d6 dice rolled at once, or is it capped at 5 dice for any possible roll?
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A close approximation to the percentages you want would use something like this:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3*} & text{3-7} & text{35/216 (16.2%)} \
& text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-9} & text{126/1296 (9%)} \
text{5} & text{5-11} & text{457/7776 (5.9%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
* (3 dice could go either way)
In terms of gameplay, simpler rules are frequently better than strictly matching the desired probability distribution. I might suggest something like $N$ dice fumble on a result $le 2times N$, with a special case that a single die only fumbles on a 1 (unless you want a 1/3 chance of a fumble in the 1d case). That would give you something like:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3} & text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-8} & text{70/1296 (5.4%)} \
text{5} & text{5-10} & text{252/7776 (3.2%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
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+1 for mathemagics!
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– Harper
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I couldn't match your targets exactly, but here's a different approach
Linearity is difficult to exactly model with only d6s as you desire, but there is a very simple method to describe that closely resembles the approximations you posit:
A character fumbles if more 1s are showing than 6s.
The resulting probabilities are:
begin{array}{rl}
text{Number of Dice} & text{Probability} \
hline
1 & 16.7% \
2 & 13.9% \
3 & 10.2% \
4 & 6.6% \
5 & 4.6% \
end{array}
For what it's worth, this method is basically linear anyway. The r-squared value (how much of the data can be approximated by a straight line) is 99%.
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Seems something wrong with your table? thx!
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@himmators fixed
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Fumble if exactly one die shows a 1.
N dice are rolled on the table. If exactly one shows a 1, then it's a fumble.
begin{array}{rl}
N & P(text{fumble}) \
hline
1 & 16.67% \
2 & 13.89% \
3 & 11.57% \
4 & 9.65% \
5 & 8.04% \
end{array}
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Percentile dice are an example of linear probability with more than one die. The first d10 represents tens and the second d10 represents ones so you get a linear result, from 1-100. You could do something similar with other dice, but the end result would be non-trivial to understand. For example, you could use 2d4, where the first d4 is the tens and the second d4 is the ones, but since you don't have 5-10, you can only get results of
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But, within the possible outcomes, the probability is equal, or linear.
A better, more useable version is to have one die, like say a d6, and on 1-3 equals 0, and on 4-6 equals the maximum of the next die, like say 12. Then you could produce 1-24 linearly with two dice.
More intuitively, if the maximum number is greater than ten, make the first die a 10, then the second die determines whether you add to it. Like for 1-17, roll a d10 for ones, and then roll a d-whatever, where half or less is 0 and over half is +7.
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Thx, though, I'm looking for a dynamic that works when the player is already playing. A bit of a bummer to roll a extra crit-fail-roll for every roll :P
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– Himmators
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just choose the percentage, so less than X that would produce that percent is a fail, like this d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/…
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– Wyrmwood
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This describes a way of reading arbitrary sided dice to get linear results, but it doesn’t once mention fumbles, or how the 1-5 skill rating in the question can be factored in. It’s not obvious how to use this, let alone determine fumbles when using this system, so this seems a very incomplete post to adequately answer the question.
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A close approximation to the percentages you want would use something like this:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3*} & text{3-7} & text{35/216 (16.2%)} \
& text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-9} & text{126/1296 (9%)} \
text{5} & text{5-11} & text{457/7776 (5.9%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
* (3 dice could go either way)
In terms of gameplay, simpler rules are frequently better than strictly matching the desired probability distribution. I might suggest something like $N$ dice fumble on a result $le 2times N$, with a special case that a single die only fumbles on a 1 (unless you want a 1/3 chance of a fumble in the 1d case). That would give you something like:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3} & text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-8} & text{70/1296 (5.4%)} \
text{5} & text{5-10} & text{252/7776 (3.2%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
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+1 for mathemagics!
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A close approximation to the percentages you want would use something like this:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3*} & text{3-7} & text{35/216 (16.2%)} \
& text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-9} & text{126/1296 (9%)} \
text{5} & text{5-11} & text{457/7776 (5.9%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
* (3 dice could go either way)
In terms of gameplay, simpler rules are frequently better than strictly matching the desired probability distribution. I might suggest something like $N$ dice fumble on a result $le 2times N$, with a special case that a single die only fumbles on a 1 (unless you want a 1/3 chance of a fumble in the 1d case). That would give you something like:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3} & text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-8} & text{70/1296 (5.4%)} \
text{5} & text{5-10} & text{252/7776 (3.2%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
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+1 for mathemagics!
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A close approximation to the percentages you want would use something like this:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3*} & text{3-7} & text{35/216 (16.2%)} \
& text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-9} & text{126/1296 (9%)} \
text{5} & text{5-11} & text{457/7776 (5.9%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
* (3 dice could go either way)
In terms of gameplay, simpler rules are frequently better than strictly matching the desired probability distribution. I might suggest something like $N$ dice fumble on a result $le 2times N$, with a special case that a single die only fumbles on a 1 (unless you want a 1/3 chance of a fumble in the 1d case). That would give you something like:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3} & text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-8} & text{70/1296 (5.4%)} \
text{5} & text{5-10} & text{252/7776 (3.2%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
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A close approximation to the percentages you want would use something like this:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3*} & text{3-7} & text{35/216 (16.2%)} \
& text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-9} & text{126/1296 (9%)} \
text{5} & text{5-11} & text{457/7776 (5.9%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
* (3 dice could go either way)
In terms of gameplay, simpler rules are frequently better than strictly matching the desired probability distribution. I might suggest something like $N$ dice fumble on a result $le 2times N$, with a special case that a single die only fumbles on a 1 (unless you want a 1/3 chance of a fumble in the 1d case). That would give you something like:
$begin{array}{|c|c|c|}
hline
textbf{Dice} & textbf{Fumble Range} & textbf{Probability} \
hline
text{1} & text{1} & text{1/6 (16.7%)} \
text{2} & text{2-4} & text{6/36 (16.7%)} \
text{3} & text{3-6} & text{20/216 (9.3%)} \
text{4} & text{4-8} & text{70/1296 (5.4%)} \
text{5} & text{5-10} & text{252/7776 (3.2%)} \
hline
end{array}
$
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+1 for mathemagics!
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+1 for mathemagics!
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+1 for mathemagics!
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I couldn't match your targets exactly, but here's a different approach
Linearity is difficult to exactly model with only d6s as you desire, but there is a very simple method to describe that closely resembles the approximations you posit:
A character fumbles if more 1s are showing than 6s.
The resulting probabilities are:
begin{array}{rl}
text{Number of Dice} & text{Probability} \
hline
1 & 16.7% \
2 & 13.9% \
3 & 10.2% \
4 & 6.6% \
5 & 4.6% \
end{array}
For what it's worth, this method is basically linear anyway. The r-squared value (how much of the data can be approximated by a straight line) is 99%.
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Seems something wrong with your table? thx!
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– Himmators
2 hours ago
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@himmators fixed
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– David Coffron
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I couldn't match your targets exactly, but here's a different approach
Linearity is difficult to exactly model with only d6s as you desire, but there is a very simple method to describe that closely resembles the approximations you posit:
A character fumbles if more 1s are showing than 6s.
The resulting probabilities are:
begin{array}{rl}
text{Number of Dice} & text{Probability} \
hline
1 & 16.7% \
2 & 13.9% \
3 & 10.2% \
4 & 6.6% \
5 & 4.6% \
end{array}
For what it's worth, this method is basically linear anyway. The r-squared value (how much of the data can be approximated by a straight line) is 99%.
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Seems something wrong with your table? thx!
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– Himmators
2 hours ago
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@himmators fixed
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– David Coffron
2 hours ago
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I couldn't match your targets exactly, but here's a different approach
Linearity is difficult to exactly model with only d6s as you desire, but there is a very simple method to describe that closely resembles the approximations you posit:
A character fumbles if more 1s are showing than 6s.
The resulting probabilities are:
begin{array}{rl}
text{Number of Dice} & text{Probability} \
hline
1 & 16.7% \
2 & 13.9% \
3 & 10.2% \
4 & 6.6% \
5 & 4.6% \
end{array}
For what it's worth, this method is basically linear anyway. The r-squared value (how much of the data can be approximated by a straight line) is 99%.
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I couldn't match your targets exactly, but here's a different approach
Linearity is difficult to exactly model with only d6s as you desire, but there is a very simple method to describe that closely resembles the approximations you posit:
A character fumbles if more 1s are showing than 6s.
The resulting probabilities are:
begin{array}{rl}
text{Number of Dice} & text{Probability} \
hline
1 & 16.7% \
2 & 13.9% \
3 & 10.2% \
4 & 6.6% \
5 & 4.6% \
end{array}
For what it's worth, this method is basically linear anyway. The r-squared value (how much of the data can be approximated by a straight line) is 99%.
edited 59 mins ago
answered 2 hours ago
David CoffronDavid Coffron
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– Himmators
2 hours ago
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@himmators fixed
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– David Coffron
2 hours ago
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Seems something wrong with your table? thx!
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– Himmators
2 hours ago
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@himmators fixed
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– David Coffron
2 hours ago
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Seems something wrong with your table? thx!
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– Himmators
2 hours ago
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Seems something wrong with your table? thx!
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– Himmators
2 hours ago
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@himmators fixed
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– David Coffron
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@himmators fixed
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2 hours ago
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Fumble if exactly one die shows a 1.
N dice are rolled on the table. If exactly one shows a 1, then it's a fumble.
begin{array}{rl}
N & P(text{fumble}) \
hline
1 & 16.67% \
2 & 13.89% \
3 & 11.57% \
4 & 9.65% \
5 & 8.04% \
end{array}
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Fumble if exactly one die shows a 1.
N dice are rolled on the table. If exactly one shows a 1, then it's a fumble.
begin{array}{rl}
N & P(text{fumble}) \
hline
1 & 16.67% \
2 & 13.89% \
3 & 11.57% \
4 & 9.65% \
5 & 8.04% \
end{array}
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add a comment |
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Fumble if exactly one die shows a 1.
N dice are rolled on the table. If exactly one shows a 1, then it's a fumble.
begin{array}{rl}
N & P(text{fumble}) \
hline
1 & 16.67% \
2 & 13.89% \
3 & 11.57% \
4 & 9.65% \
5 & 8.04% \
end{array}
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Fumble if exactly one die shows a 1.
N dice are rolled on the table. If exactly one shows a 1, then it's a fumble.
begin{array}{rl}
N & P(text{fumble}) \
hline
1 & 16.67% \
2 & 13.89% \
3 & 11.57% \
4 & 9.65% \
5 & 8.04% \
end{array}
answered 2 hours ago
nitsua60♦nitsua60
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Percentile dice are an example of linear probability with more than one die. The first d10 represents tens and the second d10 represents ones so you get a linear result, from 1-100. You could do something similar with other dice, but the end result would be non-trivial to understand. For example, you could use 2d4, where the first d4 is the tens and the second d4 is the ones, but since you don't have 5-10, you can only get results of
11
12
13
14
21
22
23
24
31
32
33
34
41
42
43
44
But, within the possible outcomes, the probability is equal, or linear.
A better, more useable version is to have one die, like say a d6, and on 1-3 equals 0, and on 4-6 equals the maximum of the next die, like say 12. Then you could produce 1-24 linearly with two dice.
More intuitively, if the maximum number is greater than ten, make the first die a 10, then the second die determines whether you add to it. Like for 1-17, roll a d10 for ones, and then roll a d-whatever, where half or less is 0 and over half is +7.
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Thx, though, I'm looking for a dynamic that works when the player is already playing. A bit of a bummer to roll a extra crit-fail-roll for every roll :P
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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just choose the percentage, so less than X that would produce that percent is a fail, like this d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/…
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– Wyrmwood
4 hours ago
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This describes a way of reading arbitrary sided dice to get linear results, but it doesn’t once mention fumbles, or how the 1-5 skill rating in the question can be factored in. It’s not obvious how to use this, let alone determine fumbles when using this system, so this seems a very incomplete post to adequately answer the question.
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– SevenSidedDie♦
39 mins ago
add a comment |
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Percentile dice are an example of linear probability with more than one die. The first d10 represents tens and the second d10 represents ones so you get a linear result, from 1-100. You could do something similar with other dice, but the end result would be non-trivial to understand. For example, you could use 2d4, where the first d4 is the tens and the second d4 is the ones, but since you don't have 5-10, you can only get results of
11
12
13
14
21
22
23
24
31
32
33
34
41
42
43
44
But, within the possible outcomes, the probability is equal, or linear.
A better, more useable version is to have one die, like say a d6, and on 1-3 equals 0, and on 4-6 equals the maximum of the next die, like say 12. Then you could produce 1-24 linearly with two dice.
More intuitively, if the maximum number is greater than ten, make the first die a 10, then the second die determines whether you add to it. Like for 1-17, roll a d10 for ones, and then roll a d-whatever, where half or less is 0 and over half is +7.
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Thx, though, I'm looking for a dynamic that works when the player is already playing. A bit of a bummer to roll a extra crit-fail-roll for every roll :P
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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just choose the percentage, so less than X that would produce that percent is a fail, like this d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/…
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– Wyrmwood
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
This describes a way of reading arbitrary sided dice to get linear results, but it doesn’t once mention fumbles, or how the 1-5 skill rating in the question can be factored in. It’s not obvious how to use this, let alone determine fumbles when using this system, so this seems a very incomplete post to adequately answer the question.
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– SevenSidedDie♦
39 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Percentile dice are an example of linear probability with more than one die. The first d10 represents tens and the second d10 represents ones so you get a linear result, from 1-100. You could do something similar with other dice, but the end result would be non-trivial to understand. For example, you could use 2d4, where the first d4 is the tens and the second d4 is the ones, but since you don't have 5-10, you can only get results of
11
12
13
14
21
22
23
24
31
32
33
34
41
42
43
44
But, within the possible outcomes, the probability is equal, or linear.
A better, more useable version is to have one die, like say a d6, and on 1-3 equals 0, and on 4-6 equals the maximum of the next die, like say 12. Then you could produce 1-24 linearly with two dice.
More intuitively, if the maximum number is greater than ten, make the first die a 10, then the second die determines whether you add to it. Like for 1-17, roll a d10 for ones, and then roll a d-whatever, where half or less is 0 and over half is +7.
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Percentile dice are an example of linear probability with more than one die. The first d10 represents tens and the second d10 represents ones so you get a linear result, from 1-100. You could do something similar with other dice, but the end result would be non-trivial to understand. For example, you could use 2d4, where the first d4 is the tens and the second d4 is the ones, but since you don't have 5-10, you can only get results of
11
12
13
14
21
22
23
24
31
32
33
34
41
42
43
44
But, within the possible outcomes, the probability is equal, or linear.
A better, more useable version is to have one die, like say a d6, and on 1-3 equals 0, and on 4-6 equals the maximum of the next die, like say 12. Then you could produce 1-24 linearly with two dice.
More intuitively, if the maximum number is greater than ten, make the first die a 10, then the second die determines whether you add to it. Like for 1-17, roll a d10 for ones, and then roll a d-whatever, where half or less is 0 and over half is +7.
edited 4 hours ago
answered 4 hours ago
WyrmwoodWyrmwood
5,38711540
5,38711540
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Thx, though, I'm looking for a dynamic that works when the player is already playing. A bit of a bummer to roll a extra crit-fail-roll for every roll :P
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– Himmators
4 hours ago
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just choose the percentage, so less than X that would produce that percent is a fail, like this d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/…
$endgroup$
– Wyrmwood
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
This describes a way of reading arbitrary sided dice to get linear results, but it doesn’t once mention fumbles, or how the 1-5 skill rating in the question can be factored in. It’s not obvious how to use this, let alone determine fumbles when using this system, so this seems a very incomplete post to adequately answer the question.
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– SevenSidedDie♦
39 mins ago
add a comment |
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Thx, though, I'm looking for a dynamic that works when the player is already playing. A bit of a bummer to roll a extra crit-fail-roll for every roll :P
$endgroup$
– Himmators
4 hours ago
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just choose the percentage, so less than X that would produce that percent is a fail, like this d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/…
$endgroup$
– Wyrmwood
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
This describes a way of reading arbitrary sided dice to get linear results, but it doesn’t once mention fumbles, or how the 1-5 skill rating in the question can be factored in. It’s not obvious how to use this, let alone determine fumbles when using this system, so this seems a very incomplete post to adequately answer the question.
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– SevenSidedDie♦
39 mins ago
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Thx, though, I'm looking for a dynamic that works when the player is already playing. A bit of a bummer to roll a extra crit-fail-roll for every roll :P
$endgroup$
– Himmators
4 hours ago
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Thx, though, I'm looking for a dynamic that works when the player is already playing. A bit of a bummer to roll a extra crit-fail-roll for every roll :P
$endgroup$
– Himmators
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
just choose the percentage, so less than X that would produce that percent is a fail, like this d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/…
$endgroup$
– Wyrmwood
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
just choose the percentage, so less than X that would produce that percent is a fail, like this d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/…
$endgroup$
– Wyrmwood
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
This describes a way of reading arbitrary sided dice to get linear results, but it doesn’t once mention fumbles, or how the 1-5 skill rating in the question can be factored in. It’s not obvious how to use this, let alone determine fumbles when using this system, so this seems a very incomplete post to adequately answer the question.
$endgroup$
– SevenSidedDie♦
39 mins ago
$begingroup$
This describes a way of reading arbitrary sided dice to get linear results, but it doesn’t once mention fumbles, or how the 1-5 skill rating in the question can be factored in. It’s not obvious how to use this, let alone determine fumbles when using this system, so this seems a very incomplete post to adequately answer the question.
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– SevenSidedDie♦
39 mins ago
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Is there a reason your desired outcome doesn't begin with 16.67% failure rate on 1d6?
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– Ifusaso
5 hours ago
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In your second table, when you say 'Probability of all 1's' you really mean 'Probability of failure', right? Given that you states you don't want to use the all 1 condition, some other failure condition that satisfies those general probabilities would work?
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– GreySage
4 hours ago
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@lfusaso, nope, I only need something that reduces with a fixed number of percent per added die.
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– Himmators
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@GreySage Thanks, sloppy copy :P
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How extensible do you need this table? Does it need to handle more than 5 d6 dice rolled at once, or is it capped at 5 dice for any possible roll?
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– Xirema
4 hours ago