Is redundancy used when live recording important performances?












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From the wikipedia page about redundancy:




[...] redundancy is the duplication of critical components or functions of a system with the intention of increasing reliability of the system, usually in the form of a backup or fail-safe [...]




This practice is observed every time one deals with something critical: it is not uncommon for flight instruments to have even triple redundancy -- there are three instruments measuring the same value, and if one of them disagrees with the other two then it is considered broken.



I was listening to Snarky Puppy's Sylva, a massive non-stop 1-hour-long modern jazz performance executed in front of a live audience. I thought: what if the PC hosting the DAW crashed? What if a cable broke while they where recording? What if there was whatever hardware problem?



It is unusual for such a live concert to be non-stop and to be recorded, so on big stages if something breaks there's often some PA guy promptly running to the rescue. The incriminated cable is quickly swapped, the guitar player is up to speed again. Twenty seconds of guitar solo have been lost, no big deal. And if it's a studio recording -- well -- the sound engineer might just solve the problem and ask kindly for another take.



So here comes the question: what is standard practice for such "expensive" live performances? There are multiple cameras recording videos, but is there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio?










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    Recording multiple shows gives redundancy both technically and performance wise. Not an answer because I don't think it is what you are looking for. But I would think it's pretty common they record more than one show.

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  • Tetsujin and PeteCon: thank you for your inputs which I upvoted! Still I wait to mark it as solved, I would still like to see if somebody else chips in, ideally somebody who has had a fully redundant set-up. You both assume that the board (with 40 channels, or whatever), will never fail. Still, a failure of the board would mean a failure of everything, since there is no replacement board immediately available! I mean: I don't have a change of clothes in my daily backpack for fear of getting dirty, yet I would definitely bring an extra shirt if I were to have a very important business lunch.

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From the wikipedia page about redundancy:




[...] redundancy is the duplication of critical components or functions of a system with the intention of increasing reliability of the system, usually in the form of a backup or fail-safe [...]




This practice is observed every time one deals with something critical: it is not uncommon for flight instruments to have even triple redundancy -- there are three instruments measuring the same value, and if one of them disagrees with the other two then it is considered broken.



I was listening to Snarky Puppy's Sylva, a massive non-stop 1-hour-long modern jazz performance executed in front of a live audience. I thought: what if the PC hosting the DAW crashed? What if a cable broke while they where recording? What if there was whatever hardware problem?



It is unusual for such a live concert to be non-stop and to be recorded, so on big stages if something breaks there's often some PA guy promptly running to the rescue. The incriminated cable is quickly swapped, the guitar player is up to speed again. Twenty seconds of guitar solo have been lost, no big deal. And if it's a studio recording -- well -- the sound engineer might just solve the problem and ask kindly for another take.



So here comes the question: what is standard practice for such "expensive" live performances? There are multiple cameras recording videos, but is there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio?










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    Recording multiple shows gives redundancy both technically and performance wise. Not an answer because I don't think it is what you are looking for. But I would think it's pretty common they record more than one show.

    – b3ko
    3 hours ago











  • Tetsujin and PeteCon: thank you for your inputs which I upvoted! Still I wait to mark it as solved, I would still like to see if somebody else chips in, ideally somebody who has had a fully redundant set-up. You both assume that the board (with 40 channels, or whatever), will never fail. Still, a failure of the board would mean a failure of everything, since there is no replacement board immediately available! I mean: I don't have a change of clothes in my daily backpack for fear of getting dirty, yet I would definitely bring an extra shirt if I were to have a very important business lunch.

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  • @b3ko, you have a valid point! Not the answer, but nonetheless interesting and it definitely adds to the question. Thanks!

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From the wikipedia page about redundancy:




[...] redundancy is the duplication of critical components or functions of a system with the intention of increasing reliability of the system, usually in the form of a backup or fail-safe [...]




This practice is observed every time one deals with something critical: it is not uncommon for flight instruments to have even triple redundancy -- there are three instruments measuring the same value, and if one of them disagrees with the other two then it is considered broken.



I was listening to Snarky Puppy's Sylva, a massive non-stop 1-hour-long modern jazz performance executed in front of a live audience. I thought: what if the PC hosting the DAW crashed? What if a cable broke while they where recording? What if there was whatever hardware problem?



It is unusual for such a live concert to be non-stop and to be recorded, so on big stages if something breaks there's often some PA guy promptly running to the rescue. The incriminated cable is quickly swapped, the guitar player is up to speed again. Twenty seconds of guitar solo have been lost, no big deal. And if it's a studio recording -- well -- the sound engineer might just solve the problem and ask kindly for another take.



So here comes the question: what is standard practice for such "expensive" live performances? There are multiple cameras recording videos, but is there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio?










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From the wikipedia page about redundancy:




[...] redundancy is the duplication of critical components or functions of a system with the intention of increasing reliability of the system, usually in the form of a backup or fail-safe [...]




This practice is observed every time one deals with something critical: it is not uncommon for flight instruments to have even triple redundancy -- there are three instruments measuring the same value, and if one of them disagrees with the other two then it is considered broken.



I was listening to Snarky Puppy's Sylva, a massive non-stop 1-hour-long modern jazz performance executed in front of a live audience. I thought: what if the PC hosting the DAW crashed? What if a cable broke while they where recording? What if there was whatever hardware problem?



It is unusual for such a live concert to be non-stop and to be recorded, so on big stages if something breaks there's often some PA guy promptly running to the rescue. The incriminated cable is quickly swapped, the guitar player is up to speed again. Twenty seconds of guitar solo have been lost, no big deal. And if it's a studio recording -- well -- the sound engineer might just solve the problem and ask kindly for another take.



So here comes the question: what is standard practice for such "expensive" live performances? There are multiple cameras recording videos, but is there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio?







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    Recording multiple shows gives redundancy both technically and performance wise. Not an answer because I don't think it is what you are looking for. But I would think it's pretty common they record more than one show.

    – b3ko
    3 hours ago











  • Tetsujin and PeteCon: thank you for your inputs which I upvoted! Still I wait to mark it as solved, I would still like to see if somebody else chips in, ideally somebody who has had a fully redundant set-up. You both assume that the board (with 40 channels, or whatever), will never fail. Still, a failure of the board would mean a failure of everything, since there is no replacement board immediately available! I mean: I don't have a change of clothes in my daily backpack for fear of getting dirty, yet I would definitely bring an extra shirt if I were to have a very important business lunch.

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  • @b3ko, you have a valid point! Not the answer, but nonetheless interesting and it definitely adds to the question. Thanks!

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    Recording multiple shows gives redundancy both technically and performance wise. Not an answer because I don't think it is what you are looking for. But I would think it's pretty common they record more than one show.

    – b3ko
    3 hours ago











  • Tetsujin and PeteCon: thank you for your inputs which I upvoted! Still I wait to mark it as solved, I would still like to see if somebody else chips in, ideally somebody who has had a fully redundant set-up. You both assume that the board (with 40 channels, or whatever), will never fail. Still, a failure of the board would mean a failure of everything, since there is no replacement board immediately available! I mean: I don't have a change of clothes in my daily backpack for fear of getting dirty, yet I would definitely bring an extra shirt if I were to have a very important business lunch.

    – wizclown
    2 hours ago











  • @b3ko, you have a valid point! Not the answer, but nonetheless interesting and it definitely adds to the question. Thanks!

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    1 hour ago








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Recording multiple shows gives redundancy both technically and performance wise. Not an answer because I don't think it is what you are looking for. But I would think it's pretty common they record more than one show.

– b3ko
3 hours ago





Recording multiple shows gives redundancy both technically and performance wise. Not an answer because I don't think it is what you are looking for. But I would think it's pretty common they record more than one show.

– b3ko
3 hours ago













Tetsujin and PeteCon: thank you for your inputs which I upvoted! Still I wait to mark it as solved, I would still like to see if somebody else chips in, ideally somebody who has had a fully redundant set-up. You both assume that the board (with 40 channels, or whatever), will never fail. Still, a failure of the board would mean a failure of everything, since there is no replacement board immediately available! I mean: I don't have a change of clothes in my daily backpack for fear of getting dirty, yet I would definitely bring an extra shirt if I were to have a very important business lunch.

– wizclown
2 hours ago





Tetsujin and PeteCon: thank you for your inputs which I upvoted! Still I wait to mark it as solved, I would still like to see if somebody else chips in, ideally somebody who has had a fully redundant set-up. You both assume that the board (with 40 channels, or whatever), will never fail. Still, a failure of the board would mean a failure of everything, since there is no replacement board immediately available! I mean: I don't have a change of clothes in my daily backpack for fear of getting dirty, yet I would definitely bring an extra shirt if I were to have a very important business lunch.

– wizclown
2 hours ago













@b3ko, you have a valid point! Not the answer, but nonetheless interesting and it definitely adds to the question. Thanks!

– wizclown
1 hour ago





@b3ko, you have a valid point! Not the answer, but nonetheless interesting and it definitely adds to the question. Thanks!

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I think you need to look at this historically.



Back in the days when the only real mobile multi-track recording facility was owned by the Rolling Stones, then you would be lucky to even be recording to multi-track at all live, let alone have any redundancy in the system.

The only 'redundancy' I can think of was that they had to run 2 totally separate sound systems, one for live & the other for broadcast. Remember images of such as Roger Daltrey singing into two mics, taped together?



Even more recently, I'm sure there was many a recording done on little more than a wing & a prayer... plus some rugged, expensive gear & some well-practised crews looking after it - & a car park full of diesel generators for mains power redundancy.



These days, when redundancy is simply hanging another SSD off the board, then it's easy.






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    There are several youtube videos showing live setups for large bands, and you'll see that there is a LOT of redundancy in there. Thinking of Billy Joel's keyboard player David Rosenthal - he has two separate identical racks of equipment, set up so that pressing a single button can send the midi data to the B rack while the A rack is restarted, and he has a basic Hammond keyboard on stage in case all MIDI dies.



    https://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/billy-joel-keyboardist-and-music-director-david-rosenthal



    For guitar players - Brian May has his favorite guitars, plus several replicas, in case he breaks a string. Every thing else is also duplicated. https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21168-rig-rundown-queens-brian-may



    For recording, we duplicate everything. Even in our small church on Sunday, I'll feed the video camera with a shotgun mic and a bus feed from the board, plus a USB recording of the main outs, just in case something goes wrong. When working on larger events, we'll run similar systems (we set up bus mixes both pre and post eq, and record multitrack from each). We have a 40 track recorder (it can record all 40 at once), so we have several channels to record to (and could add more recorders if needs be, syncing them to an external clock); and we're a tiny company, just bodging things together in our own way.






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      Not a product recommendation, but there is gear like this:



      https://www.scan.co.uk/products/tascam-da-6400dp-compact-64-channel-digital-multitrack-recorder



      Feature headlines include:




      • The DA-6400dp includes a redundant power supply
        In addition to the DA-6400 standard model, the DA-6400dp is available with two power supply circuits to allow redundant power from another AC circuit. This provides failsafe operation in case AC power is interrupted on one of the circuits.

      • This (optional interface) card includes a redundant coaxial connection so that MADI is passed through even if power is lost, making it an ideal backup recorder for DAW sessions


      In other words, you have some MADI stage boxes, and stick this device upstream of your main recording setup. It then records up to 64 tracks of anything passing through it. It has its own redundant capabilities, but even if it dies completely, it still passes through the signal to the next part of the chain.



      So you could do a live mix down, a 32/64 track recording into whatever software you usually use, and still have a backup recording of the raw inputs. Combine that with spare hardware down on the stage, and you'll have access to pretty much everything that happened on the night.






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        there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio




        Multiple tape machines or hard disk recorders is pretty standard and has been for decades.



        Multiple microphones and cables, not really that I know of: if a microphone gets trashed a stage person will go up there and replace it.
        Of course that particular track for that particular song will be lost.



        The particular instrument will be overdubbed in the studio or the whole song will be removed or replaced with the dress rehearsal.






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          I think you need to look at this historically.



          Back in the days when the only real mobile multi-track recording facility was owned by the Rolling Stones, then you would be lucky to even be recording to multi-track at all live, let alone have any redundancy in the system.

          The only 'redundancy' I can think of was that they had to run 2 totally separate sound systems, one for live & the other for broadcast. Remember images of such as Roger Daltrey singing into two mics, taped together?



          Even more recently, I'm sure there was many a recording done on little more than a wing & a prayer... plus some rugged, expensive gear & some well-practised crews looking after it - & a car park full of diesel generators for mains power redundancy.



          These days, when redundancy is simply hanging another SSD off the board, then it's easy.






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            I think you need to look at this historically.



            Back in the days when the only real mobile multi-track recording facility was owned by the Rolling Stones, then you would be lucky to even be recording to multi-track at all live, let alone have any redundancy in the system.

            The only 'redundancy' I can think of was that they had to run 2 totally separate sound systems, one for live & the other for broadcast. Remember images of such as Roger Daltrey singing into two mics, taped together?



            Even more recently, I'm sure there was many a recording done on little more than a wing & a prayer... plus some rugged, expensive gear & some well-practised crews looking after it - & a car park full of diesel generators for mains power redundancy.



            These days, when redundancy is simply hanging another SSD off the board, then it's easy.






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              I think you need to look at this historically.



              Back in the days when the only real mobile multi-track recording facility was owned by the Rolling Stones, then you would be lucky to even be recording to multi-track at all live, let alone have any redundancy in the system.

              The only 'redundancy' I can think of was that they had to run 2 totally separate sound systems, one for live & the other for broadcast. Remember images of such as Roger Daltrey singing into two mics, taped together?



              Even more recently, I'm sure there was many a recording done on little more than a wing & a prayer... plus some rugged, expensive gear & some well-practised crews looking after it - & a car park full of diesel generators for mains power redundancy.



              These days, when redundancy is simply hanging another SSD off the board, then it's easy.






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              I think you need to look at this historically.



              Back in the days when the only real mobile multi-track recording facility was owned by the Rolling Stones, then you would be lucky to even be recording to multi-track at all live, let alone have any redundancy in the system.

              The only 'redundancy' I can think of was that they had to run 2 totally separate sound systems, one for live & the other for broadcast. Remember images of such as Roger Daltrey singing into two mics, taped together?



              Even more recently, I'm sure there was many a recording done on little more than a wing & a prayer... plus some rugged, expensive gear & some well-practised crews looking after it - & a car park full of diesel generators for mains power redundancy.



              These days, when redundancy is simply hanging another SSD off the board, then it's easy.







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                  There are several youtube videos showing live setups for large bands, and you'll see that there is a LOT of redundancy in there. Thinking of Billy Joel's keyboard player David Rosenthal - he has two separate identical racks of equipment, set up so that pressing a single button can send the midi data to the B rack while the A rack is restarted, and he has a basic Hammond keyboard on stage in case all MIDI dies.



                  https://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/billy-joel-keyboardist-and-music-director-david-rosenthal



                  For guitar players - Brian May has his favorite guitars, plus several replicas, in case he breaks a string. Every thing else is also duplicated. https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21168-rig-rundown-queens-brian-may



                  For recording, we duplicate everything. Even in our small church on Sunday, I'll feed the video camera with a shotgun mic and a bus feed from the board, plus a USB recording of the main outs, just in case something goes wrong. When working on larger events, we'll run similar systems (we set up bus mixes both pre and post eq, and record multitrack from each). We have a 40 track recorder (it can record all 40 at once), so we have several channels to record to (and could add more recorders if needs be, syncing them to an external clock); and we're a tiny company, just bodging things together in our own way.






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                    There are several youtube videos showing live setups for large bands, and you'll see that there is a LOT of redundancy in there. Thinking of Billy Joel's keyboard player David Rosenthal - he has two separate identical racks of equipment, set up so that pressing a single button can send the midi data to the B rack while the A rack is restarted, and he has a basic Hammond keyboard on stage in case all MIDI dies.



                    https://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/billy-joel-keyboardist-and-music-director-david-rosenthal



                    For guitar players - Brian May has his favorite guitars, plus several replicas, in case he breaks a string. Every thing else is also duplicated. https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21168-rig-rundown-queens-brian-may



                    For recording, we duplicate everything. Even in our small church on Sunday, I'll feed the video camera with a shotgun mic and a bus feed from the board, plus a USB recording of the main outs, just in case something goes wrong. When working on larger events, we'll run similar systems (we set up bus mixes both pre and post eq, and record multitrack from each). We have a 40 track recorder (it can record all 40 at once), so we have several channels to record to (and could add more recorders if needs be, syncing them to an external clock); and we're a tiny company, just bodging things together in our own way.






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                      There are several youtube videos showing live setups for large bands, and you'll see that there is a LOT of redundancy in there. Thinking of Billy Joel's keyboard player David Rosenthal - he has two separate identical racks of equipment, set up so that pressing a single button can send the midi data to the B rack while the A rack is restarted, and he has a basic Hammond keyboard on stage in case all MIDI dies.



                      https://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/billy-joel-keyboardist-and-music-director-david-rosenthal



                      For guitar players - Brian May has his favorite guitars, plus several replicas, in case he breaks a string. Every thing else is also duplicated. https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21168-rig-rundown-queens-brian-may



                      For recording, we duplicate everything. Even in our small church on Sunday, I'll feed the video camera with a shotgun mic and a bus feed from the board, plus a USB recording of the main outs, just in case something goes wrong. When working on larger events, we'll run similar systems (we set up bus mixes both pre and post eq, and record multitrack from each). We have a 40 track recorder (it can record all 40 at once), so we have several channels to record to (and could add more recorders if needs be, syncing them to an external clock); and we're a tiny company, just bodging things together in our own way.






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                      There are several youtube videos showing live setups for large bands, and you'll see that there is a LOT of redundancy in there. Thinking of Billy Joel's keyboard player David Rosenthal - he has two separate identical racks of equipment, set up so that pressing a single button can send the midi data to the B rack while the A rack is restarted, and he has a basic Hammond keyboard on stage in case all MIDI dies.



                      https://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/billy-joel-keyboardist-and-music-director-david-rosenthal



                      For guitar players - Brian May has his favorite guitars, plus several replicas, in case he breaks a string. Every thing else is also duplicated. https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/21168-rig-rundown-queens-brian-may



                      For recording, we duplicate everything. Even in our small church on Sunday, I'll feed the video camera with a shotgun mic and a bus feed from the board, plus a USB recording of the main outs, just in case something goes wrong. When working on larger events, we'll run similar systems (we set up bus mixes both pre and post eq, and record multitrack from each). We have a 40 track recorder (it can record all 40 at once), so we have several channels to record to (and could add more recorders if needs be, syncing them to an external clock); and we're a tiny company, just bodging things together in our own way.







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                          Not a product recommendation, but there is gear like this:



                          https://www.scan.co.uk/products/tascam-da-6400dp-compact-64-channel-digital-multitrack-recorder



                          Feature headlines include:




                          • The DA-6400dp includes a redundant power supply
                            In addition to the DA-6400 standard model, the DA-6400dp is available with two power supply circuits to allow redundant power from another AC circuit. This provides failsafe operation in case AC power is interrupted on one of the circuits.

                          • This (optional interface) card includes a redundant coaxial connection so that MADI is passed through even if power is lost, making it an ideal backup recorder for DAW sessions


                          In other words, you have some MADI stage boxes, and stick this device upstream of your main recording setup. It then records up to 64 tracks of anything passing through it. It has its own redundant capabilities, but even if it dies completely, it still passes through the signal to the next part of the chain.



                          So you could do a live mix down, a 32/64 track recording into whatever software you usually use, and still have a backup recording of the raw inputs. Combine that with spare hardware down on the stage, and you'll have access to pretty much everything that happened on the night.






                          share|improve this answer








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                            Not a product recommendation, but there is gear like this:



                            https://www.scan.co.uk/products/tascam-da-6400dp-compact-64-channel-digital-multitrack-recorder



                            Feature headlines include:




                            • The DA-6400dp includes a redundant power supply
                              In addition to the DA-6400 standard model, the DA-6400dp is available with two power supply circuits to allow redundant power from another AC circuit. This provides failsafe operation in case AC power is interrupted on one of the circuits.

                            • This (optional interface) card includes a redundant coaxial connection so that MADI is passed through even if power is lost, making it an ideal backup recorder for DAW sessions


                            In other words, you have some MADI stage boxes, and stick this device upstream of your main recording setup. It then records up to 64 tracks of anything passing through it. It has its own redundant capabilities, but even if it dies completely, it still passes through the signal to the next part of the chain.



                            So you could do a live mix down, a 32/64 track recording into whatever software you usually use, and still have a backup recording of the raw inputs. Combine that with spare hardware down on the stage, and you'll have access to pretty much everything that happened on the night.






                            share|improve this answer








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                              Not a product recommendation, but there is gear like this:



                              https://www.scan.co.uk/products/tascam-da-6400dp-compact-64-channel-digital-multitrack-recorder



                              Feature headlines include:




                              • The DA-6400dp includes a redundant power supply
                                In addition to the DA-6400 standard model, the DA-6400dp is available with two power supply circuits to allow redundant power from another AC circuit. This provides failsafe operation in case AC power is interrupted on one of the circuits.

                              • This (optional interface) card includes a redundant coaxial connection so that MADI is passed through even if power is lost, making it an ideal backup recorder for DAW sessions


                              In other words, you have some MADI stage boxes, and stick this device upstream of your main recording setup. It then records up to 64 tracks of anything passing through it. It has its own redundant capabilities, but even if it dies completely, it still passes through the signal to the next part of the chain.



                              So you could do a live mix down, a 32/64 track recording into whatever software you usually use, and still have a backup recording of the raw inputs. Combine that with spare hardware down on the stage, and you'll have access to pretty much everything that happened on the night.






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                              Not a product recommendation, but there is gear like this:



                              https://www.scan.co.uk/products/tascam-da-6400dp-compact-64-channel-digital-multitrack-recorder



                              Feature headlines include:




                              • The DA-6400dp includes a redundant power supply
                                In addition to the DA-6400 standard model, the DA-6400dp is available with two power supply circuits to allow redundant power from another AC circuit. This provides failsafe operation in case AC power is interrupted on one of the circuits.

                              • This (optional interface) card includes a redundant coaxial connection so that MADI is passed through even if power is lost, making it an ideal backup recorder for DAW sessions


                              In other words, you have some MADI stage boxes, and stick this device upstream of your main recording setup. It then records up to 64 tracks of anything passing through it. It has its own redundant capabilities, but even if it dies completely, it still passes through the signal to the next part of the chain.



                              So you could do a live mix down, a 32/64 track recording into whatever software you usually use, and still have a backup recording of the raw inputs. Combine that with spare hardware down on the stage, and you'll have access to pretty much everything that happened on the night.







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                                  there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio




                                  Multiple tape machines or hard disk recorders is pretty standard and has been for decades.



                                  Multiple microphones and cables, not really that I know of: if a microphone gets trashed a stage person will go up there and replace it.
                                  Of course that particular track for that particular song will be lost.



                                  The particular instrument will be overdubbed in the studio or the whole song will be removed or replaced with the dress rehearsal.






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                                    there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio




                                    Multiple tape machines or hard disk recorders is pretty standard and has been for decades.



                                    Multiple microphones and cables, not really that I know of: if a microphone gets trashed a stage person will go up there and replace it.
                                    Of course that particular track for that particular song will be lost.



                                    The particular instrument will be overdubbed in the studio or the whole song will be removed or replaced with the dress rehearsal.






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                                      there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio




                                      Multiple tape machines or hard disk recorders is pretty standard and has been for decades.



                                      Multiple microphones and cables, not really that I know of: if a microphone gets trashed a stage person will go up there and replace it.
                                      Of course that particular track for that particular song will be lost.



                                      The particular instrument will be overdubbed in the studio or the whole song will be removed or replaced with the dress rehearsal.






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                                      there such a thing as multiple microphones/cables/DAWs recording the same audio




                                      Multiple tape machines or hard disk recorders is pretty standard and has been for decades.



                                      Multiple microphones and cables, not really that I know of: if a microphone gets trashed a stage person will go up there and replace it.
                                      Of course that particular track for that particular song will be lost.



                                      The particular instrument will be overdubbed in the studio or the whole song will be removed or replaced with the dress rehearsal.







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