Variety of transposing instruments
A recent question on tuning saxophones caused me to wonder on the variety of transposing instruments.
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves.
At concert pitch - too many to mention.
Octave above - piccolo.
Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
Alto sax - major 6th below.
Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
Many. This seems to be the most common case.
Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
Additions and corrections please. I have said little on brass instruments as I don't know them well enough to be confident that I was right. E.g. Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
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A recent question on tuning saxophones caused me to wonder on the variety of transposing instruments.
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves.
At concert pitch - too many to mention.
Octave above - piccolo.
Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
Alto sax - major 6th below.
Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
Many. This seems to be the most common case.
Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
Additions and corrections please. I have said little on brass instruments as I don't know them well enough to be confident that I was right. E.g. Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
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Guitar is an octave-below transposing instrument
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling Thanks. I don't often see guitar music written in standard notation so I did not know. How about the bass guitar? I think that I have seen that written in bass clef as you would for a double bass.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
That's right, bass guitar too
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling So, if standard notation is used, is guitar music written an octave up in the treble clef?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
The specific question on Trombone is well focused, but the general request for “additions and corrections” is not a good match to the SE format.
– Dave
26 mins ago
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A recent question on tuning saxophones caused me to wonder on the variety of transposing instruments.
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves.
At concert pitch - too many to mention.
Octave above - piccolo.
Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
Alto sax - major 6th below.
Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
Many. This seems to be the most common case.
Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
Additions and corrections please. I have said little on brass instruments as I don't know them well enough to be confident that I was right. E.g. Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
transposing-instrument
A recent question on tuning saxophones caused me to wonder on the variety of transposing instruments.
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves.
At concert pitch - too many to mention.
Octave above - piccolo.
Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
Alto sax - major 6th below.
Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
Many. This seems to be the most common case.
Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
Additions and corrections please. I have said little on brass instruments as I don't know them well enough to be confident that I was right. E.g. Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
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Guitar is an octave-below transposing instrument
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling Thanks. I don't often see guitar music written in standard notation so I did not know. How about the bass guitar? I think that I have seen that written in bass clef as you would for a double bass.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
That's right, bass guitar too
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling So, if standard notation is used, is guitar music written an octave up in the treble clef?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
The specific question on Trombone is well focused, but the general request for “additions and corrections” is not a good match to the SE format.
– Dave
26 mins ago
|
show 5 more comments
Guitar is an octave-below transposing instrument
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling Thanks. I don't often see guitar music written in standard notation so I did not know. How about the bass guitar? I think that I have seen that written in bass clef as you would for a double bass.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
That's right, bass guitar too
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling So, if standard notation is used, is guitar music written an octave up in the treble clef?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
The specific question on Trombone is well focused, but the general request for “additions and corrections” is not a good match to the SE format.
– Dave
26 mins ago
Guitar is an octave-below transposing instrument
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
Guitar is an octave-below transposing instrument
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling Thanks. I don't often see guitar music written in standard notation so I did not know. How about the bass guitar? I think that I have seen that written in bass clef as you would for a double bass.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling Thanks. I don't often see guitar music written in standard notation so I did not know. How about the bass guitar? I think that I have seen that written in bass clef as you would for a double bass.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
That's right, bass guitar too
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
That's right, bass guitar too
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling So, if standard notation is used, is guitar music written an octave up in the treble clef?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling So, if standard notation is used, is guitar music written an octave up in the treble clef?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
1
1
The specific question on Trombone is well focused, but the general request for “additions and corrections” is not a good match to the SE format.
– Dave
26 mins ago
The specific question on Trombone is well focused, but the general request for “additions and corrections” is not a good match to the SE format.
– Dave
26 mins ago
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Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
Yes, brass instruments can be a little tricky for this reason.
Although we say that a trombone is "in B♭," it's actually written in C; it's a non-transposing instrument. But the trombone itself is based in B♭, so first position will play the harmonic series on that pitch. The "in B♭" thus relates to the instrument's construction, not to a score transposition.
The same is true for tubas: you can have Tuba in C, Tuba in B♭, Tuba in F, and Tuba in E♭, but they are all non-transposing instruments. Whereas the score transposes for other instruments, the tubist must learn different fingerings depending on the instrument s/he is playing. (If you think that's confusing, try being the tuba player that has to learn four sets of fingerings!)
To add to that confusion, you'll occasionally encounter some European brass band transcriptions where the tuba (or baritone or euphonium) is written in treble clef as a transposing instrument (!). In cases like this, we just have to let context decide.
And there's one final level of confusion: this doesn't apply to all brass instruments. Trumpets, for instance, are written in transposed scores. The most common is probably the Trumpet in B♭ (which is written like the B♭ Clarinet), but there's also Trumpet in C (which is not transposed) and occasionally Trumpet in D.
Thanks. So, most of them are covered by my "too many to mention" comment in C. How about the trumpet, have I entered it correctly? E.g. could a trumpet play a clarinet part?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@badjohn Yes, a B♭ Trumpet can play a B♭ Clarinet part. I've addressed this a bit in my edit.
– Richard
57 mins ago
Which families of instruments use transposition and which don't seems a bit arbitrary. E.g. saxophones all use the same fingering for the same written note yet the note produced varies greatly. Similarly, a viola could be considered as a violin in F but it isn't.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Thanks for the trumpet in D. I'll add that.
– badjohn
56 mins ago
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(Copied over from the question for easier editing.)
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves
- At concert pitch - too many to mention. Note, that trombone blongs here as opposed to most other brass.
- Octave above - piccolo.
- Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
- E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
- Alto sax - major 6th below.
- Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
- French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
- I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
- Many. This seems to be the most common case.
- Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
- Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
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Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
Yes, brass instruments can be a little tricky for this reason.
Although we say that a trombone is "in B♭," it's actually written in C; it's a non-transposing instrument. But the trombone itself is based in B♭, so first position will play the harmonic series on that pitch. The "in B♭" thus relates to the instrument's construction, not to a score transposition.
The same is true for tubas: you can have Tuba in C, Tuba in B♭, Tuba in F, and Tuba in E♭, but they are all non-transposing instruments. Whereas the score transposes for other instruments, the tubist must learn different fingerings depending on the instrument s/he is playing. (If you think that's confusing, try being the tuba player that has to learn four sets of fingerings!)
To add to that confusion, you'll occasionally encounter some European brass band transcriptions where the tuba (or baritone or euphonium) is written in treble clef as a transposing instrument (!). In cases like this, we just have to let context decide.
And there's one final level of confusion: this doesn't apply to all brass instruments. Trumpets, for instance, are written in transposed scores. The most common is probably the Trumpet in B♭ (which is written like the B♭ Clarinet), but there's also Trumpet in C (which is not transposed) and occasionally Trumpet in D.
Thanks. So, most of them are covered by my "too many to mention" comment in C. How about the trumpet, have I entered it correctly? E.g. could a trumpet play a clarinet part?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@badjohn Yes, a B♭ Trumpet can play a B♭ Clarinet part. I've addressed this a bit in my edit.
– Richard
57 mins ago
Which families of instruments use transposition and which don't seems a bit arbitrary. E.g. saxophones all use the same fingering for the same written note yet the note produced varies greatly. Similarly, a viola could be considered as a violin in F but it isn't.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Thanks for the trumpet in D. I'll add that.
– badjohn
56 mins ago
add a comment |
Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
Yes, brass instruments can be a little tricky for this reason.
Although we say that a trombone is "in B♭," it's actually written in C; it's a non-transposing instrument. But the trombone itself is based in B♭, so first position will play the harmonic series on that pitch. The "in B♭" thus relates to the instrument's construction, not to a score transposition.
The same is true for tubas: you can have Tuba in C, Tuba in B♭, Tuba in F, and Tuba in E♭, but they are all non-transposing instruments. Whereas the score transposes for other instruments, the tubist must learn different fingerings depending on the instrument s/he is playing. (If you think that's confusing, try being the tuba player that has to learn four sets of fingerings!)
To add to that confusion, you'll occasionally encounter some European brass band transcriptions where the tuba (or baritone or euphonium) is written in treble clef as a transposing instrument (!). In cases like this, we just have to let context decide.
And there's one final level of confusion: this doesn't apply to all brass instruments. Trumpets, for instance, are written in transposed scores. The most common is probably the Trumpet in B♭ (which is written like the B♭ Clarinet), but there's also Trumpet in C (which is not transposed) and occasionally Trumpet in D.
Thanks. So, most of them are covered by my "too many to mention" comment in C. How about the trumpet, have I entered it correctly? E.g. could a trumpet play a clarinet part?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@badjohn Yes, a B♭ Trumpet can play a B♭ Clarinet part. I've addressed this a bit in my edit.
– Richard
57 mins ago
Which families of instruments use transposition and which don't seems a bit arbitrary. E.g. saxophones all use the same fingering for the same written note yet the note produced varies greatly. Similarly, a viola could be considered as a violin in F but it isn't.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Thanks for the trumpet in D. I'll add that.
– badjohn
56 mins ago
add a comment |
Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
Yes, brass instruments can be a little tricky for this reason.
Although we say that a trombone is "in B♭," it's actually written in C; it's a non-transposing instrument. But the trombone itself is based in B♭, so first position will play the harmonic series on that pitch. The "in B♭" thus relates to the instrument's construction, not to a score transposition.
The same is true for tubas: you can have Tuba in C, Tuba in B♭, Tuba in F, and Tuba in E♭, but they are all non-transposing instruments. Whereas the score transposes for other instruments, the tubist must learn different fingerings depending on the instrument s/he is playing. (If you think that's confusing, try being the tuba player that has to learn four sets of fingerings!)
To add to that confusion, you'll occasionally encounter some European brass band transcriptions where the tuba (or baritone or euphonium) is written in treble clef as a transposing instrument (!). In cases like this, we just have to let context decide.
And there's one final level of confusion: this doesn't apply to all brass instruments. Trumpets, for instance, are written in transposed scores. The most common is probably the Trumpet in B♭ (which is written like the B♭ Clarinet), but there's also Trumpet in C (which is not transposed) and occasionally Trumpet in D.
Wikipedia says of the tenor trombone: "is a non-transposing instrument pitched in B♭". So, where do I enter that?
Yes, brass instruments can be a little tricky for this reason.
Although we say that a trombone is "in B♭," it's actually written in C; it's a non-transposing instrument. But the trombone itself is based in B♭, so first position will play the harmonic series on that pitch. The "in B♭" thus relates to the instrument's construction, not to a score transposition.
The same is true for tubas: you can have Tuba in C, Tuba in B♭, Tuba in F, and Tuba in E♭, but they are all non-transposing instruments. Whereas the score transposes for other instruments, the tubist must learn different fingerings depending on the instrument s/he is playing. (If you think that's confusing, try being the tuba player that has to learn four sets of fingerings!)
To add to that confusion, you'll occasionally encounter some European brass band transcriptions where the tuba (or baritone or euphonium) is written in treble clef as a transposing instrument (!). In cases like this, we just have to let context decide.
And there's one final level of confusion: this doesn't apply to all brass instruments. Trumpets, for instance, are written in transposed scores. The most common is probably the Trumpet in B♭ (which is written like the B♭ Clarinet), but there's also Trumpet in C (which is not transposed) and occasionally Trumpet in D.
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Thanks. So, most of them are covered by my "too many to mention" comment in C. How about the trumpet, have I entered it correctly? E.g. could a trumpet play a clarinet part?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@badjohn Yes, a B♭ Trumpet can play a B♭ Clarinet part. I've addressed this a bit in my edit.
– Richard
57 mins ago
Which families of instruments use transposition and which don't seems a bit arbitrary. E.g. saxophones all use the same fingering for the same written note yet the note produced varies greatly. Similarly, a viola could be considered as a violin in F but it isn't.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Thanks for the trumpet in D. I'll add that.
– badjohn
56 mins ago
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Thanks. So, most of them are covered by my "too many to mention" comment in C. How about the trumpet, have I entered it correctly? E.g. could a trumpet play a clarinet part?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@badjohn Yes, a B♭ Trumpet can play a B♭ Clarinet part. I've addressed this a bit in my edit.
– Richard
57 mins ago
Which families of instruments use transposition and which don't seems a bit arbitrary. E.g. saxophones all use the same fingering for the same written note yet the note produced varies greatly. Similarly, a viola could be considered as a violin in F but it isn't.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Thanks for the trumpet in D. I'll add that.
– badjohn
56 mins ago
Thanks. So, most of them are covered by my "too many to mention" comment in C. How about the trumpet, have I entered it correctly? E.g. could a trumpet play a clarinet part?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
Thanks. So, most of them are covered by my "too many to mention" comment in C. How about the trumpet, have I entered it correctly? E.g. could a trumpet play a clarinet part?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
@badjohn Yes, a B♭ Trumpet can play a B♭ Clarinet part. I've addressed this a bit in my edit.
– Richard
57 mins ago
@badjohn Yes, a B♭ Trumpet can play a B♭ Clarinet part. I've addressed this a bit in my edit.
– Richard
57 mins ago
Which families of instruments use transposition and which don't seems a bit arbitrary. E.g. saxophones all use the same fingering for the same written note yet the note produced varies greatly. Similarly, a viola could be considered as a violin in F but it isn't.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Which families of instruments use transposition and which don't seems a bit arbitrary. E.g. saxophones all use the same fingering for the same written note yet the note produced varies greatly. Similarly, a viola could be considered as a violin in F but it isn't.
– badjohn
57 mins ago
Thanks for the trumpet in D. I'll add that.
– badjohn
56 mins ago
Thanks for the trumpet in D. I'll add that.
– badjohn
56 mins ago
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(Copied over from the question for easier editing.)
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves
- At concert pitch - too many to mention. Note, that trombone blongs here as opposed to most other brass.
- Octave above - piccolo.
- Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
- E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
- Alto sax - major 6th below.
- Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
- French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
- I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
- Many. This seems to be the most common case.
- Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
- Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
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(Copied over from the question for easier editing.)
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves
- At concert pitch - too many to mention. Note, that trombone blongs here as opposed to most other brass.
- Octave above - piccolo.
- Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
- E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
- Alto sax - major 6th below.
- Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
- French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
- I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
- Many. This seems to be the most common case.
- Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
- Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
add a comment |
(Copied over from the question for easier editing.)
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves
- At concert pitch - too many to mention. Note, that trombone blongs here as opposed to most other brass.
- Octave above - piccolo.
- Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
- E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
- Alto sax - major 6th below.
- Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
- French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
- I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
- Many. This seems to be the most common case.
- Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
- Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
(Copied over from the question for easier editing.)
C - Non-transposing or by whole octaves
- At concert pitch - too many to mention. Note, that trombone blongs here as opposed to most other brass.
- Octave above - piccolo.
- Octave below - double bass and double bassoon. Also guitar and bass guitar.
D♭
Some piccolos. So, an octave and minor second above?
D
It is not the most common but there is trumpet in D.
E♭
- E♭ clarinet - minor 3rd above.
- Alto sax - major 6th below.
- Baritone sax - octave and major 6th below.
F
- French horn and cor anglais - Fifth below
- I have a time whistle labeled G but, as explained in A♭, this could be regarded as transposing in F. A fourth above.
A♭
I have a tin whistle which is labeled B♭ but this refers to its lowest note which is D on a standard whistle. So, if treated as a transposing version of the common D whistle, it would be a major 3rd below and hence in A♭.
A
A clarinet and oboe d'amour - minor 3rd below
B♭
- Many. This seems to be the most common case.
- Trumpet, B♭ clarinet, soprano sax - a major second below.
- Bass clarinet and tenor sax - Octave and a major second below.
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Guitar is an octave-below transposing instrument
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling Thanks. I don't often see guitar music written in standard notation so I did not know. How about the bass guitar? I think that I have seen that written in bass clef as you would for a double bass.
– badjohn
1 hour ago
That's right, bass guitar too
– David Bowling
1 hour ago
@DavidBowling So, if standard notation is used, is guitar music written an octave up in the treble clef?
– badjohn
1 hour ago
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The specific question on Trombone is well focused, but the general request for “additions and corrections” is not a good match to the SE format.
– Dave
26 mins ago