Does a concentrating caster damaged by Ice Knife require 2 concentration checks?

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Does a concentrating caster hit by Ice Knife require 2 concentration checks?



As the ice knife can to damage in two separate ways, with one defined to happen after the other, would a caster damaged by both need to make multiple concentrations checks?










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The caster would need to make up to two saves.



The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):




Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.




And since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.






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    Yes. Two checks may be required.



    Two concentration checks required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.






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      The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.



      The PHB p203 states:




      If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.







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      I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.






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      The caster would need to make up to two saves.



      The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):




      Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.




      And since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.






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        The caster would need to make up to two saves.



        The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):




        Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.




        And since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.






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          The caster would need to make up to two saves.



          The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):




          Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.




          And since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.






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          The caster would need to make up to two saves.



          The SRD says this about Concentration (emphasis mine):




          Whenever you take damage while you are concentrating on a spell, you must make a Constitution saving throw to maintain your Concentration. The DC equals 10 or half the damage you take, whichever number is higher. If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon’s breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.




          And since Ice Knife deals damage twice, you would indeed make two saves, but only if they fail the DEX save for the secondary damage.







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              Yes. Two checks may be required.



              Two concentration checks required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.






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                Yes. Two checks may be required.



                Two concentration checks required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.






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                  Yes. Two checks may be required.



                  Two concentration checks required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.






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                  Yes. Two checks may be required.



                  Two concentration checks required as there are two discrete damage instances. In addition to being explicitly stated as separate and ordered damage in the ice knife description, "Hit or miss, the shard then explodes", they're also completely different mechanics.







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                      The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.



                      The PHB p203 states:




                      If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.







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                        Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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                      The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.



                      The PHB p203 states:




                      If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.







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                        Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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                      The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.



                      The PHB p203 states:




                      If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.







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                      The Ice Knife deals two types of damage, but is a single source of damage.



                      The PHB p203 states:




                      If you take damage from multiple sources, such as an arrow and a dragon's breath, you make a separate saving throw for each source of damage.








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                        Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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                        Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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                      Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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                      Concentration also says "Whenever you take damage," and since these are two discreet damage events, you would still need (up to) two saves.
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                      I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.






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                      I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.






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                      I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.






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                      I would argue 2 concentration checks are needed, since if one passes the dex saving throw they don't take the cold damage whatsoever. That being said, for this to happen the caster must hit the target, and the target must fail the dex save for 2 concentration checks to be required. The DC for each is relative to half the damage taken (for scaling purposes as the lvl increases), or DC 10, whichever is higher.







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