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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.










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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.










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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.










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Is it possible to upcast ritual spells?



For example, say I'm a level 11 bard that has the spells Leomund's Tiny Hut (LTH) or Alarm. LTH is a 3rd-level spell with the ritual tag; Alarm is a 1st-level spell with the ritual tag. Since they are rituals, they can be cast without expending a spell slot.



Is it possible to cast LTH or Alarm at, say, 6th level (Bards at 11th-level have one 6th-level spell slot) as a ritual, thus making it harder to dispel the enchantment?



The reason I ask this is that spells like LTH and Alarm are pretty good for setting up camp, but they can be dispelled by an attacking party with a simple Dispel Magic - and since they are a 3rd-level spell or lower, the spell effect is ended immediately without the enemy even needing to roll.



In my mind, if a spellcaster has the ability to cast spells at 6th level, they should be able to imbue a ritual spell they cast with that level of power, as a ritual.







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Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



The rules for rituals state that:




The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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    From the Ritual rules:




    It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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      Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



      The rules for rituals state that:




      The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




      This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




      Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




      So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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        Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



        The rules for rituals state that:




        The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




        This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




        Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




        So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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          Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



          The rules for rituals state that:




          The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




          This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




          Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




          So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.






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          Ritual spells can't be cast at higher levels unless you spend a spell slot



          The rules for rituals state that:




          The ritual version of a spell takes 10 minutes longer to cast than normal. It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level




          This means that when casting as a ritual the spell must be cast at its normal level. However do note that these spells can also be cast normally (emphasis mine):




          Such a spell can be cast following the normal rules for spellcasting, or the spell can be cast as a ritual




          So if you really want to have a higher level tiny hut, for example, you can spend a higher lvl slot to cast it normally.







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              From the Ritual rules:




              It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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                From the Ritual rules:




                It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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                  From the Ritual rules:




                  It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.







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                  From the Ritual rules:




                  It also doesn't expend a spell slot, which means the ritual version of a spell can't be cast at a higher level.








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