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Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.



I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?



References:



It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.




A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data



Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks



Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks




Pseudocode



The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:



def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
#prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht


What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.



Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?









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    Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.



    I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?



    References:



    It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.




    A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data



    Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks



    Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks




    Pseudocode



    The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:



    def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
    #prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
    q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
    q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
    z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
    target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
    ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
    return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht


    What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.



    Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?









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      Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.



      I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?



      References:



      It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.




      A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data



      Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks



      Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks




      Pseudocode



      The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:



      def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
      #prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
      q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
      q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
      z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
      target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
      ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
      return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht


      What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.



      Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?









      share







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      Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.



      I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?



      References:



      It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.




      A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data



      Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks



      Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks




      Pseudocode



      The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:



      def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
      #prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
      q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
      q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
      z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
      target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
      ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
      return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht


      What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.



      Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?







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