Derivative of integral, which way?
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I know ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$
can be written as $sqrt{x} - x$
but what is the derivative of ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$?
is it 1 or derivative of $sqrt{x} - x$?
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I know ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$
can be written as $sqrt{x} - x$
but what is the derivative of ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$?
is it 1 or derivative of $sqrt{x} - x$?
calculus integration
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I know ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$
can be written as $sqrt{x} - x$
but what is the derivative of ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$?
is it 1 or derivative of $sqrt{x} - x$?
calculus integration
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I know ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$
can be written as $sqrt{x} - x$
but what is the derivative of ${Largeint} _{x}^{sqrt x} dt$?
is it 1 or derivative of $sqrt{x} - x$?
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It depends on with respect to which variable you're differentiating. If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $x$, then the answer is going to be $frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1$:
$$
frac{d}{dx}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dx}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1.
$$
If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $t$, then you would get $0$ because $sqrt{x}-x$ is a constant (it's like $sqrt{4}-4$ which is just a number) and the derivative of a constant, as you probably know, is $0$:
$$
frac{d}{dt}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dt}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
0.
$$
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What is your $t$ that you are taking a derivative of? Note the variable $t$ in the integral $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} dt$ is just a "dummy" variable as the indication of what is to be integrated, so it doesn't have any relevance outside of the integral, and with it not showing in the final result. As such, you will always get a result of $0$ for any such derivative, not just this particular example. If I'm missing something simple & obvious, I apologize and would appreciate it if you could explain. Thanks.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
1
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It doesn't matter whether there is a $t$ in the expression or not. You still can differentiate with respect to anything you want. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong, am I?
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
1
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In that case, why not also differentiate wrt $a$, $b$, $c$, $d$, ..., with all being as valid as using $t$? You are correct $t$ doesn't need to be in the expression, but the variable should have a particular meaning. In this case, as $t$ is not defined as being anything specific, then you need to define what you mean by $t$ to make differentiating wrt to it have any meaning.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
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Well, in the OP's example there are two variables $x$ and $t$. In my answer, I show that you get different answers depending on with respect to which of the two variables you're differentiating. That's really all there is to it. I don't know why it rubs you the wrong way.
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
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This will be my final comment, so anything we still don't agree on we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your last sentence says "If the expression under the integral sign had a $t$ in it, then there would probably be a $t$ in the answer". This is not correct. A simple example is that $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} tdt = frac{x - x^2}{2}$. My point is that anything with $t$ would be integrated, so there will never be any $t$ in the final answer. Also, I will repeat again, what is $t$ supposed to be outside of the integral, as you can't reasonably differentiate wrt a variable if it has no meaning!
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– John Omielan
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Second answer: derivative of $sqrt{x}-x$ which is $-1+frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}$
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The generalization of the fundamental theorem of calculus says that:
($int_{g(x)}^{h(x)} f(t) dt))'= f(h(x))*h'(x)-f(g(x))*g'(x)$
(This is because of the derivative chain rule).
It's pretty easy to go on from here.
Good luck.
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I believe you forgot to add an indication you are taking the derivative of the integral, not just evaluating the integral.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
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Thanks. You are right. Latex is a new thing to me, writing the integral itself was a tough job!
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It depends on with respect to which variable you're differentiating. If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $x$, then the answer is going to be $frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1$:
$$
frac{d}{dx}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dx}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1.
$$
If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $t$, then you would get $0$ because $sqrt{x}-x$ is a constant (it's like $sqrt{4}-4$ which is just a number) and the derivative of a constant, as you probably know, is $0$:
$$
frac{d}{dt}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dt}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
0.
$$
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What is your $t$ that you are taking a derivative of? Note the variable $t$ in the integral $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} dt$ is just a "dummy" variable as the indication of what is to be integrated, so it doesn't have any relevance outside of the integral, and with it not showing in the final result. As such, you will always get a result of $0$ for any such derivative, not just this particular example. If I'm missing something simple & obvious, I apologize and would appreciate it if you could explain. Thanks.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
1
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It doesn't matter whether there is a $t$ in the expression or not. You still can differentiate with respect to anything you want. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong, am I?
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
1
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In that case, why not also differentiate wrt $a$, $b$, $c$, $d$, ..., with all being as valid as using $t$? You are correct $t$ doesn't need to be in the expression, but the variable should have a particular meaning. In this case, as $t$ is not defined as being anything specific, then you need to define what you mean by $t$ to make differentiating wrt to it have any meaning.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
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Well, in the OP's example there are two variables $x$ and $t$. In my answer, I show that you get different answers depending on with respect to which of the two variables you're differentiating. That's really all there is to it. I don't know why it rubs you the wrong way.
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
2
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This will be my final comment, so anything we still don't agree on we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your last sentence says "If the expression under the integral sign had a $t$ in it, then there would probably be a $t$ in the answer". This is not correct. A simple example is that $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} tdt = frac{x - x^2}{2}$. My point is that anything with $t$ would be integrated, so there will never be any $t$ in the final answer. Also, I will repeat again, what is $t$ supposed to be outside of the integral, as you can't reasonably differentiate wrt a variable if it has no meaning!
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– John Omielan
4 hours ago
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It depends on with respect to which variable you're differentiating. If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $x$, then the answer is going to be $frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1$:
$$
frac{d}{dx}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dx}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1.
$$
If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $t$, then you would get $0$ because $sqrt{x}-x$ is a constant (it's like $sqrt{4}-4$ which is just a number) and the derivative of a constant, as you probably know, is $0$:
$$
frac{d}{dt}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dt}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
0.
$$
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3
$begingroup$
What is your $t$ that you are taking a derivative of? Note the variable $t$ in the integral $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} dt$ is just a "dummy" variable as the indication of what is to be integrated, so it doesn't have any relevance outside of the integral, and with it not showing in the final result. As such, you will always get a result of $0$ for any such derivative, not just this particular example. If I'm missing something simple & obvious, I apologize and would appreciate it if you could explain. Thanks.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
1
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It doesn't matter whether there is a $t$ in the expression or not. You still can differentiate with respect to anything you want. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong, am I?
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
In that case, why not also differentiate wrt $a$, $b$, $c$, $d$, ..., with all being as valid as using $t$? You are correct $t$ doesn't need to be in the expression, but the variable should have a particular meaning. In this case, as $t$ is not defined as being anything specific, then you need to define what you mean by $t$ to make differentiating wrt to it have any meaning.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, in the OP's example there are two variables $x$ and $t$. In my answer, I show that you get different answers depending on with respect to which of the two variables you're differentiating. That's really all there is to it. I don't know why it rubs you the wrong way.
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
This will be my final comment, so anything we still don't agree on we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your last sentence says "If the expression under the integral sign had a $t$ in it, then there would probably be a $t$ in the answer". This is not correct. A simple example is that $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} tdt = frac{x - x^2}{2}$. My point is that anything with $t$ would be integrated, so there will never be any $t$ in the final answer. Also, I will repeat again, what is $t$ supposed to be outside of the integral, as you can't reasonably differentiate wrt a variable if it has no meaning!
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– John Omielan
4 hours ago
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show 3 more comments
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It depends on with respect to which variable you're differentiating. If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $x$, then the answer is going to be $frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1$:
$$
frac{d}{dx}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dx}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1.
$$
If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $t$, then you would get $0$ because $sqrt{x}-x$ is a constant (it's like $sqrt{4}-4$ which is just a number) and the derivative of a constant, as you probably know, is $0$:
$$
frac{d}{dt}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dt}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
0.
$$
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It depends on with respect to which variable you're differentiating. If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $x$, then the answer is going to be $frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1$:
$$
frac{d}{dx}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dx}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}-1.
$$
If you're differentiating with respect to the variable $t$, then you would get $0$ because $sqrt{x}-x$ is a constant (it's like $sqrt{4}-4$ which is just a number) and the derivative of a constant, as you probably know, is $0$:
$$
frac{d}{dt}left(int_{x}^{sqrt x},dtright)=
frac{d}{dt}left(sqrt{x}-xright)=
0.
$$
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answered 5 hours ago
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What is your $t$ that you are taking a derivative of? Note the variable $t$ in the integral $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} dt$ is just a "dummy" variable as the indication of what is to be integrated, so it doesn't have any relevance outside of the integral, and with it not showing in the final result. As such, you will always get a result of $0$ for any such derivative, not just this particular example. If I'm missing something simple & obvious, I apologize and would appreciate it if you could explain. Thanks.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
1
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It doesn't matter whether there is a $t$ in the expression or not. You still can differentiate with respect to anything you want. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong, am I?
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
In that case, why not also differentiate wrt $a$, $b$, $c$, $d$, ..., with all being as valid as using $t$? You are correct $t$ doesn't need to be in the expression, but the variable should have a particular meaning. In this case, as $t$ is not defined as being anything specific, then you need to define what you mean by $t$ to make differentiating wrt to it have any meaning.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, in the OP's example there are two variables $x$ and $t$. In my answer, I show that you get different answers depending on with respect to which of the two variables you're differentiating. That's really all there is to it. I don't know why it rubs you the wrong way.
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
2
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This will be my final comment, so anything we still don't agree on we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your last sentence says "If the expression under the integral sign had a $t$ in it, then there would probably be a $t$ in the answer". This is not correct. A simple example is that $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} tdt = frac{x - x^2}{2}$. My point is that anything with $t$ would be integrated, so there will never be any $t$ in the final answer. Also, I will repeat again, what is $t$ supposed to be outside of the integral, as you can't reasonably differentiate wrt a variable if it has no meaning!
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– John Omielan
4 hours ago
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show 3 more comments
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What is your $t$ that you are taking a derivative of? Note the variable $t$ in the integral $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} dt$ is just a "dummy" variable as the indication of what is to be integrated, so it doesn't have any relevance outside of the integral, and with it not showing in the final result. As such, you will always get a result of $0$ for any such derivative, not just this particular example. If I'm missing something simple & obvious, I apologize and would appreciate it if you could explain. Thanks.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
1
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It doesn't matter whether there is a $t$ in the expression or not. You still can differentiate with respect to anything you want. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong, am I?
$endgroup$
– Mike R.
5 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
In that case, why not also differentiate wrt $a$, $b$, $c$, $d$, ..., with all being as valid as using $t$? You are correct $t$ doesn't need to be in the expression, but the variable should have a particular meaning. In this case, as $t$ is not defined as being anything specific, then you need to define what you mean by $t$ to make differentiating wrt to it have any meaning.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, in the OP's example there are two variables $x$ and $t$. In my answer, I show that you get different answers depending on with respect to which of the two variables you're differentiating. That's really all there is to it. I don't know why it rubs you the wrong way.
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
This will be my final comment, so anything we still don't agree on we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your last sentence says "If the expression under the integral sign had a $t$ in it, then there would probably be a $t$ in the answer". This is not correct. A simple example is that $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} tdt = frac{x - x^2}{2}$. My point is that anything with $t$ would be integrated, so there will never be any $t$ in the final answer. Also, I will repeat again, what is $t$ supposed to be outside of the integral, as you can't reasonably differentiate wrt a variable if it has no meaning!
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– John Omielan
4 hours ago
3
3
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What is your $t$ that you are taking a derivative of? Note the variable $t$ in the integral $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} dt$ is just a "dummy" variable as the indication of what is to be integrated, so it doesn't have any relevance outside of the integral, and with it not showing in the final result. As such, you will always get a result of $0$ for any such derivative, not just this particular example. If I'm missing something simple & obvious, I apologize and would appreciate it if you could explain. Thanks.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
What is your $t$ that you are taking a derivative of? Note the variable $t$ in the integral $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} dt$ is just a "dummy" variable as the indication of what is to be integrated, so it doesn't have any relevance outside of the integral, and with it not showing in the final result. As such, you will always get a result of $0$ for any such derivative, not just this particular example. If I'm missing something simple & obvious, I apologize and would appreciate it if you could explain. Thanks.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
1
1
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It doesn't matter whether there is a $t$ in the expression or not. You still can differentiate with respect to anything you want. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong, am I?
$endgroup$
– Mike R.
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
It doesn't matter whether there is a $t$ in the expression or not. You still can differentiate with respect to anything you want. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong, am I?
$endgroup$
– Mike R.
5 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
In that case, why not also differentiate wrt $a$, $b$, $c$, $d$, ..., with all being as valid as using $t$? You are correct $t$ doesn't need to be in the expression, but the variable should have a particular meaning. In this case, as $t$ is not defined as being anything specific, then you need to define what you mean by $t$ to make differentiating wrt to it have any meaning.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
In that case, why not also differentiate wrt $a$, $b$, $c$, $d$, ..., with all being as valid as using $t$? You are correct $t$ doesn't need to be in the expression, but the variable should have a particular meaning. In this case, as $t$ is not defined as being anything specific, then you need to define what you mean by $t$ to make differentiating wrt to it have any meaning.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, in the OP's example there are two variables $x$ and $t$. In my answer, I show that you get different answers depending on with respect to which of the two variables you're differentiating. That's really all there is to it. I don't know why it rubs you the wrong way.
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Well, in the OP's example there are two variables $x$ and $t$. In my answer, I show that you get different answers depending on with respect to which of the two variables you're differentiating. That's really all there is to it. I don't know why it rubs you the wrong way.
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– Mike R.
5 hours ago
2
2
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This will be my final comment, so anything we still don't agree on we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your last sentence says "If the expression under the integral sign had a $t$ in it, then there would probably be a $t$ in the answer". This is not correct. A simple example is that $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} tdt = frac{x - x^2}{2}$. My point is that anything with $t$ would be integrated, so there will never be any $t$ in the final answer. Also, I will repeat again, what is $t$ supposed to be outside of the integral, as you can't reasonably differentiate wrt a variable if it has no meaning!
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
This will be my final comment, so anything we still don't agree on we'll just have to agree to disagree. Your last sentence says "If the expression under the integral sign had a $t$ in it, then there would probably be a $t$ in the answer". This is not correct. A simple example is that $int_{x}^{sqrt{x}} tdt = frac{x - x^2}{2}$. My point is that anything with $t$ would be integrated, so there will never be any $t$ in the final answer. Also, I will repeat again, what is $t$ supposed to be outside of the integral, as you can't reasonably differentiate wrt a variable if it has no meaning!
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– John Omielan
4 hours ago
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show 3 more comments
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Second answer: derivative of $sqrt{x}-x$ which is $-1+frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}$
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Second answer: derivative of $sqrt{x}-x$ which is $-1+frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}$
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Second answer: derivative of $sqrt{x}-x$ which is $-1+frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}$
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Second answer: derivative of $sqrt{x}-x$ which is $-1+frac{1}{2sqrt{x}}$
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The generalization of the fundamental theorem of calculus says that:
($int_{g(x)}^{h(x)} f(t) dt))'= f(h(x))*h'(x)-f(g(x))*g'(x)$
(This is because of the derivative chain rule).
It's pretty easy to go on from here.
Good luck.
New contributor
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I believe you forgot to add an indication you are taking the derivative of the integral, not just evaluating the integral.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
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Thanks. You are right. Latex is a new thing to me, writing the integral itself was a tough job!
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– Jonathan Perales
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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The generalization of the fundamental theorem of calculus says that:
($int_{g(x)}^{h(x)} f(t) dt))'= f(h(x))*h'(x)-f(g(x))*g'(x)$
(This is because of the derivative chain rule).
It's pretty easy to go on from here.
Good luck.
New contributor
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I believe you forgot to add an indication you are taking the derivative of the integral, not just evaluating the integral.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
5 hours ago
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Thanks. You are right. Latex is a new thing to me, writing the integral itself was a tough job!
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– Jonathan Perales
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The generalization of the fundamental theorem of calculus says that:
($int_{g(x)}^{h(x)} f(t) dt))'= f(h(x))*h'(x)-f(g(x))*g'(x)$
(This is because of the derivative chain rule).
It's pretty easy to go on from here.
Good luck.
New contributor
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The generalization of the fundamental theorem of calculus says that:
($int_{g(x)}^{h(x)} f(t) dt))'= f(h(x))*h'(x)-f(g(x))*g'(x)$
(This is because of the derivative chain rule).
It's pretty easy to go on from here.
Good luck.
New contributor
edited 5 hours ago
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answered 5 hours ago
Jonathan PeralesJonathan Perales
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I believe you forgot to add an indication you are taking the derivative of the integral, not just evaluating the integral.
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– John Omielan
5 hours ago
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Thanks. You are right. Latex is a new thing to me, writing the integral itself was a tough job!
$endgroup$
– Jonathan Perales
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I believe you forgot to add an indication you are taking the derivative of the integral, not just evaluating the integral.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Thanks. You are right. Latex is a new thing to me, writing the integral itself was a tough job!
$endgroup$
– Jonathan Perales
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
I believe you forgot to add an indication you are taking the derivative of the integral, not just evaluating the integral.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
I believe you forgot to add an indication you are taking the derivative of the integral, not just evaluating the integral.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
5 hours ago
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Thanks. You are right. Latex is a new thing to me, writing the integral itself was a tough job!
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– Jonathan Perales
5 hours ago
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Thanks. You are right. Latex is a new thing to me, writing the integral itself was a tough job!
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– Jonathan Perales
5 hours ago
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