Is it inappropriate to invite all my coworkers except for one person to a private event?
I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
2 days ago
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
2 days ago
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
2 days ago
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
2 days ago
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
2 days ago
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
2 days ago
Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
2 days ago
Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
2 days ago
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
2 days ago
"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
2 days ago
@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
2 days ago
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
2 days ago
@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
2 days ago
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Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
2 days ago
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@bornfromanegg - sounds like it's your wife's party. But go ahead anyway and let us know how it works out.
– Joe Strazzere
2 days ago
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@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
2 days ago
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I don't know why this question has so many upvotes. It literally doesn't answer the question. The tags have relationships and colleagues and the op is asking if it's appropriate to exclude a a colleague. This answer just responds "Do as you please." without an consideration of fallout, how to navigate the awkwardness or anything else. It's a strange "answer" to be upvoted so highly without really answering any of the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the decision.
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
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– Snow♦
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I'd rather be accused of favoritism than hang around my sexual harasser and further expose myself to it. I guess I just assumed anyone would, but I guess not?
– Clay07g
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@Clay07g The answer recommends that the OP NOT invite the person, in spite of it being considered rude (providing they are not in management). Your comment indicates the answer says the opposite.
– thursdaysgeek
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
2 days ago
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Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
yesterday
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited
. It is better informing who has been invited in the company, not who hasn't been invited.
– I am the Most Stupid Person
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"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
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A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
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Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
2 days ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
2 days ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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– V2Blast
2 days ago
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
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@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
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Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
2 days ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
2 days ago
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
2 days ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
2 days ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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– V2Blast
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
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@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
2 days ago
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Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
2 days ago
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@bornfromanegg - sounds like it's your wife's party. But go ahead anyway and let us know how it works out.
– Joe Strazzere
2 days ago
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@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
2 days ago
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I don't know why this question has so many upvotes. It literally doesn't answer the question. The tags have relationships and colleagues and the op is asking if it's appropriate to exclude a a colleague. This answer just responds "Do as you please." without an consideration of fallout, how to navigate the awkwardness or anything else. It's a strange "answer" to be upvoted so highly without really answering any of the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the decision.
– ShinEmperor
yesterday
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
53
And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
2 days ago
12
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
2 days ago
32
@bornfromanegg - sounds like it's your wife's party. But go ahead anyway and let us know how it works out.
– Joe Strazzere
2 days ago
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@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
2 days ago
15
I don't know why this question has so many upvotes. It literally doesn't answer the question. The tags have relationships and colleagues and the op is asking if it's appropriate to exclude a a colleague. This answer just responds "Do as you please." without an consideration of fallout, how to navigate the awkwardness or anything else. It's a strange "answer" to be upvoted so highly without really answering any of the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the decision.
– ShinEmperor
yesterday
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
2 days ago
12
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
2 days ago
32
@bornfromanegg - sounds like it's your wife's party. But go ahead anyway and let us know how it works out.
– Joe Strazzere
2 days ago
17
@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
2 days ago
15
I don't know why this question has so many upvotes. It literally doesn't answer the question. The tags have relationships and colleagues and the op is asking if it's appropriate to exclude a a colleague. This answer just responds "Do as you please." without an consideration of fallout, how to navigate the awkwardness or anything else. It's a strange "answer" to be upvoted so highly without really answering any of the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the decision.
– ShinEmperor
yesterday
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53
And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
2 days ago
12
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
2 days ago
32
@bornfromanegg - sounds like it's your wife's party. But go ahead anyway and let us know how it works out.
– Joe Strazzere
2 days ago
17
@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
2 days ago
15
I don't know why this question has so many upvotes. It literally doesn't answer the question. The tags have relationships and colleagues and the op is asking if it's appropriate to exclude a a colleague. This answer just responds "Do as you please." without an consideration of fallout, how to navigate the awkwardness or anything else. It's a strange "answer" to be upvoted so highly without really answering any of the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the decision.
– ShinEmperor
yesterday
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53
And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
2 days ago
And he can cry if he wants to* (when the relationship with that co-worker sours even more) (*that song just popped into my head when I saw your comment)
– Peter M
2 days ago
12
12
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
2 days ago
Wow, cool. 'Cos I was hoping to invite my mistress to the party my wife has organised for me. Glad to hear that's not inappropriate. I mean, it's my party, right?
– bornfromanegg
2 days ago
32
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@bornfromanegg - sounds like it's your wife's party. But go ahead anyway and let us know how it works out.
– Joe Strazzere
2 days ago
@bornfromanegg - sounds like it's your wife's party. But go ahead anyway and let us know how it works out.
– Joe Strazzere
2 days ago
17
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@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
2 days ago
@BriseFlots That's exactly why it's appropriate. It's a personal party, not a work event. You can choose to invite whoever you want to your personal party, same as every personal party; and there's no real reason choosing some coworkers for a party in your personal time is a workplace issue. There could be social implications, just like every interaction with people, but from a workplace perspective, the party invitations alone are perfectly acceptable.
– JMac
2 days ago
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15
I don't know why this question has so many upvotes. It literally doesn't answer the question. The tags have relationships and colleagues and the op is asking if it's appropriate to exclude a a colleague. This answer just responds "Do as you please." without an consideration of fallout, how to navigate the awkwardness or anything else. It's a strange "answer" to be upvoted so highly without really answering any of the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the decision.
– ShinEmperor
yesterday
I don't know why this question has so many upvotes. It literally doesn't answer the question. The tags have relationships and colleagues and the op is asking if it's appropriate to exclude a a colleague. This answer just responds "Do as you please." without an consideration of fallout, how to navigate the awkwardness or anything else. It's a strange "answer" to be upvoted so highly without really answering any of the CIRCUMSTANCES surrounding the decision.
– ShinEmperor
yesterday
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
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– Snow♦
yesterday
I'd rather be accused of favoritism than hang around my sexual harasser and further expose myself to it. I guess I just assumed anyone would, but I guess not?
– Clay07g
2 hours ago
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@Clay07g The answer recommends that the OP NOT invite the person, in spite of it being considered rude (providing they are not in management). Your comment indicates the answer says the opposite.
– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Snow♦
yesterday
I'd rather be accused of favoritism than hang around my sexual harasser and further expose myself to it. I guess I just assumed anyone would, but I guess not?
– Clay07g
2 hours ago
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@Clay07g The answer recommends that the OP NOT invite the person, in spite of it being considered rude (providing they are not in management). Your comment indicates the answer says the opposite.
– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago
add a comment |
If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
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– Snow♦
yesterday
I'd rather be accused of favoritism than hang around my sexual harasser and further expose myself to it. I guess I just assumed anyone would, but I guess not?
– Clay07g
2 hours ago
1
@Clay07g The answer recommends that the OP NOT invite the person, in spite of it being considered rude (providing they are not in management). Your comment indicates the answer says the opposite.
– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Snow♦
yesterday
I'd rather be accused of favoritism than hang around my sexual harasser and further expose myself to it. I guess I just assumed anyone would, but I guess not?
– Clay07g
2 hours ago
1
@Clay07g The answer recommends that the OP NOT invite the person, in spite of it being considered rude (providing they are not in management). Your comment indicates the answer says the opposite.
– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Snow♦
yesterday
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Snow♦
yesterday
I'd rather be accused of favoritism than hang around my sexual harasser and further expose myself to it. I guess I just assumed anyone would, but I guess not?
– Clay07g
2 hours ago
I'd rather be accused of favoritism than hang around my sexual harasser and further expose myself to it. I guess I just assumed anyone would, but I guess not?
– Clay07g
2 hours ago
1
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@Clay07g The answer recommends that the OP NOT invite the person, in spite of it being considered rude (providing they are not in management). Your comment indicates the answer says the opposite.
– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago
@Clay07g The answer recommends that the OP NOT invite the person, in spite of it being considered rude (providing they are not in management). Your comment indicates the answer says the opposite.
– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
2 days ago
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Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
yesterday
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited
. It is better informing who has been invited in the company, not who hasn't been invited.
– I am the Most Stupid Person
yesterday
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"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
17 hours ago
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
2 days ago
11
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
3
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
yesterday
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited
. It is better informing who has been invited in the company, not who hasn't been invited.
– I am the Most Stupid Person
yesterday
1
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
17 hours ago
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
2 days ago
11
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
yesterday
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited
. It is better informing who has been invited in the company, not who hasn't been invited.
– I am the Most Stupid Person
yesterday
1
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
17 hours ago
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
2 days ago
11
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
3
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
yesterday
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited
. It is better informing who has been invited in the company, not who hasn't been invited.
– I am the Most Stupid Person
yesterday
1
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
17 hours ago
2
2
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
2 days ago
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
2 days ago
11
11
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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3
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
yesterday
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
yesterday
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited
. It is better informing who has been invited in the company, not who hasn't been invited.– I am the Most Stupid Person
yesterday
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited
. It is better informing who has been invited in the company, not who hasn't been invited.– I am the Most Stupid Person
yesterday
1
1
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
17 hours ago
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
17 hours ago
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
yesterday
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
yesterday
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
yesterday
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
yesterday
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
yesterday
8
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
yesterday
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
yesterday
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A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
2 days ago
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
yesterday
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
yesterday
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
yesterday
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
yesterday
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A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
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Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
yesterday
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
yesterday
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
yesterday
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
yesterday
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
yesterday
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
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You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
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@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
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2 days ago
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You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
2 days ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
2 days ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
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You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
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I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
2 days ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
2 days ago
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
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I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
2 days ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
2 days ago
6
I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
2 days ago
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
2 days ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
2 days ago
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
2 days ago
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6
I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
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2 days ago
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
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2 days ago
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
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yesterday
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
yesterday
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
yesterday
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
yesterday
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I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
2 days ago
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
yesterday
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
yesterday
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
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I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
2 days ago
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
2 days ago
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
yesterday
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
yesterday
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
yesterday
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
yesterday
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
yesterday
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
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Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
2 days ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
yesterday
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
2 days ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
yesterday
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
2 days ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
yesterday
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
2 days ago
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
2 days ago
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
yesterday
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
2 days ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
2 days ago
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
2 days ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
2 days ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
2 days ago
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
2 days ago
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
2 days ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
2 days ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
2 days ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
2 days ago
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
2 days ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
2 days ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
2 days ago
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
2 days ago
2
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
2 days ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
2 days ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
yesterday
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
2 days ago
I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
2 days ago
3
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
2 days ago
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
2 days ago
2
2
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
2 days ago
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
2 days ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
2 days ago
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
2 days ago
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
yesterday
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
yesterday
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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2 days ago
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
2 days ago
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
yesterday
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
yesterday
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
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– V2Blast
2 days ago
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
2 days ago
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
yesterday
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
yesterday
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Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
2 days ago
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
yesterday
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
yesterday
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
2 days ago
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
2 days ago
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
2 days ago
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
yesterday
@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
yesterday
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
yesterday
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
yesterday
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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