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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$frac{x^T sqrt{A} x}{|sqrt{A}x|_2} geq frac{x^T A x}{|Ax|_2}$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrt{cdot}$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.




EDIT: changed $>$ to $geq$






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    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrt{M}x|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ frac{|A^{1/4}x|^2}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|Ax|} iff\ frac{|Ax|}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|A^{1/4}x|^2} $$ with $B = A^{1/4}$ and $y = A^{1/4}y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac{|B^3y|}{|By|} < frac{|By|^2}{|y|^2} iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
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    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
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    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad text{st} quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(frac{3 |By|^4}{lambda} I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
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    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatorname{tr}[B^2yy^T] leq operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{1/1.5}operatorname{tr}[(yy^T)^{3}]^{1/3} = operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{2/3}|y|^{2/3} $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$frac{x^T sqrt{A} x}{|sqrt{A}x|_2} geq frac{x^T A x}{|Ax|_2}$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrt{cdot}$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.




EDIT: changed $>$ to $geq$






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    $begingroup$
    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrt{M}x|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ frac{|A^{1/4}x|^2}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|Ax|} iff\ frac{|Ax|}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|A^{1/4}x|^2} $$ with $B = A^{1/4}$ and $y = A^{1/4}y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac{|B^3y|}{|By|} < frac{|By|^2}{|y|^2} iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
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    – Omnomnomnom
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    $begingroup$
    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






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    $begingroup$
    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad text{st} quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(frac{3 |By|^4}{lambda} I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
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    $begingroup$
    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatorname{tr}[B^2yy^T] leq operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{1/1.5}operatorname{tr}[(yy^T)^{3}]^{1/3} = operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{2/3}|y|^{2/3} $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
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    – Omnomnomnom
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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$frac{x^T sqrt{A} x}{|sqrt{A}x|_2} geq frac{x^T A x}{|Ax|_2}$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrt{cdot}$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.




EDIT: changed $>$ to $geq$






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For a positive definite diagonal matrix $A$, I want to prove that for any $x$:



$$frac{x^T sqrt{A} x}{|sqrt{A}x|_2} geq frac{x^T A x}{|Ax|_2}$$



So far I cannot find any counterexamples, and it intuitively makes sense since the $sqrt{cdot}$ operator should bring the eigenvalues of $A$ closer to $1$, but I can't prove this.




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  • 3




    $begingroup$
    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrt{M}x|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ frac{|A^{1/4}x|^2}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|Ax|} iff\ frac{|Ax|}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|A^{1/4}x|^2} $$ with $B = A^{1/4}$ and $y = A^{1/4}y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac{|B^3y|}{|By|} < frac{|By|^2}{|y|^2} iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
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    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad text{st} quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(frac{3 |By|^4}{lambda} I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
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    – Omnomnomnom
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    $begingroup$
    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatorname{tr}[B^2yy^T] leq operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{1/1.5}operatorname{tr}[(yy^T)^{3}]^{1/3} = operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{2/3}|y|^{2/3} $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
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    – Omnomnomnom
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  • 3




    $begingroup$
    A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrt{M}x|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ frac{|A^{1/4}x|^2}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|Ax|} iff\ frac{|Ax|}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|A^{1/4}x|^2} $$ with $B = A^{1/4}$ and $y = A^{1/4}y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac{|B^3y|}{|By|} < frac{|By|^2}{|y|^2} iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad text{st} quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(frac{3 |By|^4}{lambda} I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    29 mins ago








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatorname{tr}[B^2yy^T] leq operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{1/1.5}operatorname{tr}[(yy^T)^{3}]^{1/3} = operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{2/3}|y|^{2/3} $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
    $endgroup$
    – Omnomnomnom
    23 mins ago










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$begingroup$
A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrt{M}x|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ frac{|A^{1/4}x|^2}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|Ax|} iff\ frac{|Ax|}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|A^{1/4}x|^2} $$ with $B = A^{1/4}$ and $y = A^{1/4}y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac{|B^3y|}{|By|} < frac{|By|^2}{|y|^2} iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
A potentially helpful observation: Note that if $M$ is positive semidefinite, we have $x^TMx = |sqrt{M}x|^2$. Thus, we can rewrite your equation as $$ frac{|A^{1/4}x|^2}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|Ax|} iff\ frac{|Ax|}{|A^{1/2}x|} < frac{|A^{1/2}x|^2}{|A^{1/4}x|^2} $$ with $B = A^{1/4}$ and $y = A^{1/4}y$, we can rewrite the above as $$ frac{|B^3y|}{|By|} < frac{|By|^2}{|y|^2} iff |B^3y|,,|y|^2 < |By|^3 $$
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




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Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
Also, note that we fail to have strict inequality when $A = I$, for instance.
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
1 hour ago




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More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad text{st} quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(frac{3 |By|^4}{lambda} I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
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– Omnomnomnom
29 mins ago






$begingroup$
More thoughts that are insufficient for an answer: Since both sides scale with $|y|$, it suffices to consider the inequality in the case that $|y| = 1$. That is: $$ |B^3y| leq |By|^3 $$ To that end: consider $$ min |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2 quad text{st} quad |y|=1 $$ Let $f(y) = |By|^6 - |B^3y|^2$, and let $g(y) = |y|^2$. We compute the Lagrangian $$ 2B^2(3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y $$ Now, $B$ positive definite. So, setting the Lagrangian to zero yields $$ (3|By|^4 I - lambda B^4)y = 0 implies left(frac{3 |By|^4}{lambda} I - B^4right)y = 0 $$
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
29 mins ago






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$begingroup$
Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatorname{tr}[B^2yy^T] leq operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{1/1.5}operatorname{tr}[(yy^T)^{3}]^{1/3} = operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{2/3}|y|^{2/3} $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
$endgroup$
– Omnomnomnom
23 mins ago






$begingroup$
Applying the Hölder-von Neumann inequality yields $$ |By|^2 = operatorname{tr}[B^2yy^T] leq operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{1/1.5}operatorname{tr}[(yy^T)^{3}]^{1/3} = operatorname{tr}[B^3]^{2/3}|y|^{2/3} $$ which is close to what we're looking for, but not quite there
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Your inequality says



$$frac{sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^{1/2}}geq
frac{sumlambda_jx_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/2}},$$
or after a simple transformation
$$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2right)^{2/3}
left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/3}$$
And this is Holder's inequality with
$p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






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    Your inequality says



    $$frac{sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^{1/2}}geq
    frac{sumlambda_jx_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/2}},$$
    or after a simple transformation
    $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2right)^{2/3}
    left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/3}$$
    And this is Holder's inequality with
    $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






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      Your inequality says



      $$frac{sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^{1/2}}geq
      frac{sumlambda_jx_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/2}},$$
      or after a simple transformation
      $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2right)^{2/3}
      left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/3}$$
      And this is Holder's inequality with
      $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






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        Your inequality says



        $$frac{sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^{1/2}}geq
        frac{sumlambda_jx_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/2}},$$
        or after a simple transformation
        $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2right)^{2/3}
        left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/3}$$
        And this is Holder's inequality with
        $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.






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        Your inequality says



        $$frac{sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j x_j^2right)^{1/2}}geq
        frac{sumlambda_jx_j^2}{left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/2}},$$
        or after a simple transformation
        $$sumlambda_j x_j^2leqleft(sumsqrt{lambda_j}x_j^2right)^{2/3}
        left(sumlambda_j^2x_j^2right)^{1/3}$$
        And this is Holder's inequality with
        $p=3/2$ and $q=3$. The strict inequality does not always hold.







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            Erzsébet Schaár Memportreto de Erzsébet Schaár en Pécs Personaj informoj Naskiĝo 27-an de julio 1908 ( 1908-07-27 ) en Budafok Morto 29-an de aŭgusto 1975 ( 1975-08-29 ) (67-jara) en Budapeŝto Ŝtataneco Hungario Profesio skulptisto Familianoj Edz(in)o Tibor Vilt v   •   d   •   r Erzsébet Schaár [erĵEbet ŝAr], laŭ hungarlingve kutima sinsekvo Schaár Erzsébet estis hungara skulptisto. Ŝia edzo estis Tibor Vilt. Déryné Széppataki Róza en Miskolc fare de Erzsébet Schaár Erzsébet Schaár [1] naskiĝis la 27-an de julio 1908 en Budafok, ŝi mortis la 29-an de aŭgusto 1975 en Budapeŝto. Enhavo 1 Biografio 2 Elektitaj solaj ekspozicioj 3 Elektitaj kolektivaj ekspozicioj 4 Elektitaj skulptaĵoj 5 Elektitaj disĉiploj 6 Fontoj 7 Referencoj Biografio | Erzsébet Schaár studis en Industriarta Lernejo, poste en Reĝa Belarta Altlernejo (1924-1926). Ŝia ĉefinstruisto estis Zsig...
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