Has a journal ever switched between being a predatory journal and a reputable one?












21















There are a lot of questions here on what predatory journals are, and how to tell if a journal is one or not.



Are there known cases where a journal has "switched" camps, or where substantial evidence has been presented that they have? That is, has it ever occurred where:




  • A journal developed a strong reputation for being predatory, recognized this, and engaged in a good-faith process of reform, eventually gaining at least a non-trivial amount of scientific credibility or impact?

  • A journal with no history of predatory behavior suddenly started showing signs of becoming a predatory journal? For example, a publisher may have fallen on hard times, or been scooped by wealthier journals, and decided to lower their standards to such a level as to become predatory in order to survive.


For example, if someone has claimed, "The Podunk University Journal of Advanced Best Practices in Intermediate Spline Reticulation used to be a low-impact but serious journal, but after Podunk U was rocked by a cheating scandal in 2003 and there was a gradual movement away from Spline Reticulation toward Spline Retransmogrification from about 2005 to 2010 with a corresponding drop in the number of serious papers on Spline Reticulation being submitted, they started becoming a 'pay for play' publication and nowadays mostly publish incomprehensible screed written by rich patrons who want to increase their publication count.", that would count.










share|improve this question




















  • 5





    Very cool question. I am looking forward to the answers. Journals have lost quality, but turning to the dark side entirely would be really interesting...

    – Captain Emacs
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    @CaptainEmacs right, I'm talking about a light side/dark side-type switch. Simply gaining prestige over time through hard work or losing it gradually due to laziness is just life.

    – Robert Columbia
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Hindawi's journals were on the Beall's List too, if I remember correctly. Since then they upgraded and while are not high-class, as far as I know they are not considered predatory.

    – corey979
    8 hours ago











  • Hindawi has shoddy practices. Example: the text sent by my colleague for a call for special issue was plagiarised by Hindawi's staff for a different special issue.

    – Prof. Santa Claus
    8 hours ago








  • 1





    Upvote just for the Spline Reticulation joke... and it's an interesting question.

    – mas
    1 hour ago
















21















There are a lot of questions here on what predatory journals are, and how to tell if a journal is one or not.



Are there known cases where a journal has "switched" camps, or where substantial evidence has been presented that they have? That is, has it ever occurred where:




  • A journal developed a strong reputation for being predatory, recognized this, and engaged in a good-faith process of reform, eventually gaining at least a non-trivial amount of scientific credibility or impact?

  • A journal with no history of predatory behavior suddenly started showing signs of becoming a predatory journal? For example, a publisher may have fallen on hard times, or been scooped by wealthier journals, and decided to lower their standards to such a level as to become predatory in order to survive.


For example, if someone has claimed, "The Podunk University Journal of Advanced Best Practices in Intermediate Spline Reticulation used to be a low-impact but serious journal, but after Podunk U was rocked by a cheating scandal in 2003 and there was a gradual movement away from Spline Reticulation toward Spline Retransmogrification from about 2005 to 2010 with a corresponding drop in the number of serious papers on Spline Reticulation being submitted, they started becoming a 'pay for play' publication and nowadays mostly publish incomprehensible screed written by rich patrons who want to increase their publication count.", that would count.










share|improve this question




















  • 5





    Very cool question. I am looking forward to the answers. Journals have lost quality, but turning to the dark side entirely would be really interesting...

    – Captain Emacs
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    @CaptainEmacs right, I'm talking about a light side/dark side-type switch. Simply gaining prestige over time through hard work or losing it gradually due to laziness is just life.

    – Robert Columbia
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Hindawi's journals were on the Beall's List too, if I remember correctly. Since then they upgraded and while are not high-class, as far as I know they are not considered predatory.

    – corey979
    8 hours ago











  • Hindawi has shoddy practices. Example: the text sent by my colleague for a call for special issue was plagiarised by Hindawi's staff for a different special issue.

    – Prof. Santa Claus
    8 hours ago








  • 1





    Upvote just for the Spline Reticulation joke... and it's an interesting question.

    – mas
    1 hour ago














21












21








21








There are a lot of questions here on what predatory journals are, and how to tell if a journal is one or not.



Are there known cases where a journal has "switched" camps, or where substantial evidence has been presented that they have? That is, has it ever occurred where:




  • A journal developed a strong reputation for being predatory, recognized this, and engaged in a good-faith process of reform, eventually gaining at least a non-trivial amount of scientific credibility or impact?

  • A journal with no history of predatory behavior suddenly started showing signs of becoming a predatory journal? For example, a publisher may have fallen on hard times, or been scooped by wealthier journals, and decided to lower their standards to such a level as to become predatory in order to survive.


For example, if someone has claimed, "The Podunk University Journal of Advanced Best Practices in Intermediate Spline Reticulation used to be a low-impact but serious journal, but after Podunk U was rocked by a cheating scandal in 2003 and there was a gradual movement away from Spline Reticulation toward Spline Retransmogrification from about 2005 to 2010 with a corresponding drop in the number of serious papers on Spline Reticulation being submitted, they started becoming a 'pay for play' publication and nowadays mostly publish incomprehensible screed written by rich patrons who want to increase their publication count.", that would count.










share|improve this question
















There are a lot of questions here on what predatory journals are, and how to tell if a journal is one or not.



Are there known cases where a journal has "switched" camps, or where substantial evidence has been presented that they have? That is, has it ever occurred where:




  • A journal developed a strong reputation for being predatory, recognized this, and engaged in a good-faith process of reform, eventually gaining at least a non-trivial amount of scientific credibility or impact?

  • A journal with no history of predatory behavior suddenly started showing signs of becoming a predatory journal? For example, a publisher may have fallen on hard times, or been scooped by wealthier journals, and decided to lower their standards to such a level as to become predatory in order to survive.


For example, if someone has claimed, "The Podunk University Journal of Advanced Best Practices in Intermediate Spline Reticulation used to be a low-impact but serious journal, but after Podunk U was rocked by a cheating scandal in 2003 and there was a gradual movement away from Spline Reticulation toward Spline Retransmogrification from about 2005 to 2010 with a corresponding drop in the number of serious papers on Spline Reticulation being submitted, they started becoming a 'pay for play' publication and nowadays mostly publish incomprehensible screed written by rich patrons who want to increase their publication count.", that would count.







journals disreputable-publishers






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 9 hours ago







Robert Columbia

















asked 9 hours ago









Robert ColumbiaRobert Columbia

9061827




9061827








  • 5





    Very cool question. I am looking forward to the answers. Journals have lost quality, but turning to the dark side entirely would be really interesting...

    – Captain Emacs
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    @CaptainEmacs right, I'm talking about a light side/dark side-type switch. Simply gaining prestige over time through hard work or losing it gradually due to laziness is just life.

    – Robert Columbia
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Hindawi's journals were on the Beall's List too, if I remember correctly. Since then they upgraded and while are not high-class, as far as I know they are not considered predatory.

    – corey979
    8 hours ago











  • Hindawi has shoddy practices. Example: the text sent by my colleague for a call for special issue was plagiarised by Hindawi's staff for a different special issue.

    – Prof. Santa Claus
    8 hours ago








  • 1





    Upvote just for the Spline Reticulation joke... and it's an interesting question.

    – mas
    1 hour ago














  • 5





    Very cool question. I am looking forward to the answers. Journals have lost quality, but turning to the dark side entirely would be really interesting...

    – Captain Emacs
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    @CaptainEmacs right, I'm talking about a light side/dark side-type switch. Simply gaining prestige over time through hard work or losing it gradually due to laziness is just life.

    – Robert Columbia
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Hindawi's journals were on the Beall's List too, if I remember correctly. Since then they upgraded and while are not high-class, as far as I know they are not considered predatory.

    – corey979
    8 hours ago











  • Hindawi has shoddy practices. Example: the text sent by my colleague for a call for special issue was plagiarised by Hindawi's staff for a different special issue.

    – Prof. Santa Claus
    8 hours ago








  • 1





    Upvote just for the Spline Reticulation joke... and it's an interesting question.

    – mas
    1 hour ago








5




5





Very cool question. I am looking forward to the answers. Journals have lost quality, but turning to the dark side entirely would be really interesting...

– Captain Emacs
9 hours ago





Very cool question. I am looking forward to the answers. Journals have lost quality, but turning to the dark side entirely would be really interesting...

– Captain Emacs
9 hours ago




1




1





@CaptainEmacs right, I'm talking about a light side/dark side-type switch. Simply gaining prestige over time through hard work or losing it gradually due to laziness is just life.

– Robert Columbia
8 hours ago





@CaptainEmacs right, I'm talking about a light side/dark side-type switch. Simply gaining prestige over time through hard work or losing it gradually due to laziness is just life.

– Robert Columbia
8 hours ago




2




2





Hindawi's journals were on the Beall's List too, if I remember correctly. Since then they upgraded and while are not high-class, as far as I know they are not considered predatory.

– corey979
8 hours ago





Hindawi's journals were on the Beall's List too, if I remember correctly. Since then they upgraded and while are not high-class, as far as I know they are not considered predatory.

– corey979
8 hours ago













Hindawi has shoddy practices. Example: the text sent by my colleague for a call for special issue was plagiarised by Hindawi's staff for a different special issue.

– Prof. Santa Claus
8 hours ago







Hindawi has shoddy practices. Example: the text sent by my colleague for a call for special issue was plagiarised by Hindawi's staff for a different special issue.

– Prof. Santa Claus
8 hours ago






1




1





Upvote just for the Spline Reticulation joke... and it's an interesting question.

– mas
1 hour ago





Upvote just for the Spline Reticulation joke... and it's an interesting question.

– mas
1 hour ago










3 Answers
3






active

oldest

votes


















10














This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.



If you define "predatory" as being on Beall's list, then the answer is yes: MDPI was on Beall's list in 2014, and then removed in 2015 (there are a few other publishers that bounced back and forth on the list too, e.g. Hindawi). However if you believe that MDPI was not predatory to start with, or if you believe that MDPI is still predatory, then saying this publisher has switched from being predatory to reputable makes no sense.



The same goes for the other bullet point you mentioned (of a reputable journal becoming disreputable). In 2016, OMICS - a publisher generally held to be disreputable - acquired two Canadian publishers Andrew John Publishing and Pulsus Group, as well as their journals. You can see from the Wikipedia page that this "led to a decline in publishing standards". However if you read the quoted source, the objection is:




Rose Simpson, the former managing editor of the Canadian Journal of General Internal Medicine, said that after the OMICS deal was announced in January, she went on the company’s website and immediately noticed red flags as she started browsing through the journals.



“There were all kinds of typos, the grammar was wrong,” she said in an interview from Ottawa. “In medical journals, everything has to be accurate -- every comma, every word -- so that was my first suspicion.”




In other words, the decline in publishing standards is based on poor copyediting. Does poor copyediting make these OMICS-acquired journals predatory, given that poor copyediting can happen even in reputable journals? You'll have to come to your own conclusion. Rose Simpson clearly thinks so, but not every reasonable person will agree with her.






share|improve this answer



















  • 2





    “This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.” — sure, the difference is a spectrum not a hard boundary, and is in many instances debatable. But at any given time, plenty of journals are either clearly legitimate or clearly predatory, so it’s easy to imagine what a clear-cut answer to this question could look like, and the two other current answers (FuzzyLeapfrog and iayork) both come pretty close.

    – PLL
    6 hours ago



















8














The Publisher Frontiers was - and, since there is no further development, still is - listed on Beall's List. Starting from scratch and with problems and therefore seen as predatory in the beginning by some researchers, Frontiers is now a reputable publisher with their journals listed in Scopus, Web of Science and the Journal Citation Report. The whole story is even included in Frontiers' Wikipedia article.






share|improve this answer





















  • 3





    🤣🤣🤣 That's what you get by fighting Beall's list: it's now "final" and there's no way to get one's name off. That said, the misadventures of Frontiers are far from over.

    – darij grinberg
    6 hours ago











  • @darijgrinberg Unfortunately, the term predatory is limited to open access publishers or those who claim to be one. Looking at the practices of "traditional" publishers, like Elsevier or OUP, that ask for color charges (like 500 USD for one color figure ... in the 21st century where most people only use/have the electronic version of a journal) and letting authors pay for cover images and for re-use of figures and ... and making up to 37% profit be reselling our own reseaech back to us ... this limitation is kind of ... let's say ... unsatisfying.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    26 mins ago













  • Yep -- the list was useful for picking open access publishers; picking an established subscription-based one is a much simpler problem (just look at where others in your subject are publishing). Researchers have been faulting Frontiers for firing editors who didn't accept enough manuscripts; I haven't heard about this issue ever getting resolved, so the extent to which Frontiers is considered reputable is questionable.

    – darij grinberg
    24 mins ago











  • @darij-grinberg Picking a publisher based on where others in your subject are publishing or which journals you typically cite applies to all publishers, not only to the traditional ones.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    20 mins ago





















2















OMICS International, a “predatory” publisher of fake and low-quality research, has bought another Canadian science publisher — its third this year.



OMICS has acquired Intellectual Consortium of Drug Discovery & Technology Development Incorporation, of Saskatoon. Jeffrey Beall of the University of Colorado, who investigates the shadowy world of fake science publishing, discovered OMICS has expanded the group from three to 10 journal titles, all of them operating only online.




--Predatory publisher expands control of Canadian science journals




One of the world’s most well-known “predatory” publishers has bought two commercial Canadian publishers of about 16 medical specialty journals




--Alleged predatory publisher buys medical journals






share|improve this answer



















  • 3





    So is this an instance of a predatory publisher raising its content standards and going legitimate, or respected journals getting taken over and becoming predatory, or are they meeting somewhere in the middle (shoddy scientific practices but not outright misconduct)?

    – PLL
    6 hours ago













Your Answer








StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "415"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: true,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: 10,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});














draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2facademia.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f124807%2fhas-a-journal-ever-switched-between-being-a-predatory-journal-and-a-reputable-on%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























3 Answers
3






active

oldest

votes








3 Answers
3






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









10














This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.



If you define "predatory" as being on Beall's list, then the answer is yes: MDPI was on Beall's list in 2014, and then removed in 2015 (there are a few other publishers that bounced back and forth on the list too, e.g. Hindawi). However if you believe that MDPI was not predatory to start with, or if you believe that MDPI is still predatory, then saying this publisher has switched from being predatory to reputable makes no sense.



The same goes for the other bullet point you mentioned (of a reputable journal becoming disreputable). In 2016, OMICS - a publisher generally held to be disreputable - acquired two Canadian publishers Andrew John Publishing and Pulsus Group, as well as their journals. You can see from the Wikipedia page that this "led to a decline in publishing standards". However if you read the quoted source, the objection is:




Rose Simpson, the former managing editor of the Canadian Journal of General Internal Medicine, said that after the OMICS deal was announced in January, she went on the company’s website and immediately noticed red flags as she started browsing through the journals.



“There were all kinds of typos, the grammar was wrong,” she said in an interview from Ottawa. “In medical journals, everything has to be accurate -- every comma, every word -- so that was my first suspicion.”




In other words, the decline in publishing standards is based on poor copyediting. Does poor copyediting make these OMICS-acquired journals predatory, given that poor copyediting can happen even in reputable journals? You'll have to come to your own conclusion. Rose Simpson clearly thinks so, but not every reasonable person will agree with her.






share|improve this answer



















  • 2





    “This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.” — sure, the difference is a spectrum not a hard boundary, and is in many instances debatable. But at any given time, plenty of journals are either clearly legitimate or clearly predatory, so it’s easy to imagine what a clear-cut answer to this question could look like, and the two other current answers (FuzzyLeapfrog and iayork) both come pretty close.

    – PLL
    6 hours ago
















10














This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.



If you define "predatory" as being on Beall's list, then the answer is yes: MDPI was on Beall's list in 2014, and then removed in 2015 (there are a few other publishers that bounced back and forth on the list too, e.g. Hindawi). However if you believe that MDPI was not predatory to start with, or if you believe that MDPI is still predatory, then saying this publisher has switched from being predatory to reputable makes no sense.



The same goes for the other bullet point you mentioned (of a reputable journal becoming disreputable). In 2016, OMICS - a publisher generally held to be disreputable - acquired two Canadian publishers Andrew John Publishing and Pulsus Group, as well as their journals. You can see from the Wikipedia page that this "led to a decline in publishing standards". However if you read the quoted source, the objection is:




Rose Simpson, the former managing editor of the Canadian Journal of General Internal Medicine, said that after the OMICS deal was announced in January, she went on the company’s website and immediately noticed red flags as she started browsing through the journals.



“There were all kinds of typos, the grammar was wrong,” she said in an interview from Ottawa. “In medical journals, everything has to be accurate -- every comma, every word -- so that was my first suspicion.”




In other words, the decline in publishing standards is based on poor copyediting. Does poor copyediting make these OMICS-acquired journals predatory, given that poor copyediting can happen even in reputable journals? You'll have to come to your own conclusion. Rose Simpson clearly thinks so, but not every reasonable person will agree with her.






share|improve this answer



















  • 2





    “This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.” — sure, the difference is a spectrum not a hard boundary, and is in many instances debatable. But at any given time, plenty of journals are either clearly legitimate or clearly predatory, so it’s easy to imagine what a clear-cut answer to this question could look like, and the two other current answers (FuzzyLeapfrog and iayork) both come pretty close.

    – PLL
    6 hours ago














10












10








10







This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.



If you define "predatory" as being on Beall's list, then the answer is yes: MDPI was on Beall's list in 2014, and then removed in 2015 (there are a few other publishers that bounced back and forth on the list too, e.g. Hindawi). However if you believe that MDPI was not predatory to start with, or if you believe that MDPI is still predatory, then saying this publisher has switched from being predatory to reputable makes no sense.



The same goes for the other bullet point you mentioned (of a reputable journal becoming disreputable). In 2016, OMICS - a publisher generally held to be disreputable - acquired two Canadian publishers Andrew John Publishing and Pulsus Group, as well as their journals. You can see from the Wikipedia page that this "led to a decline in publishing standards". However if you read the quoted source, the objection is:




Rose Simpson, the former managing editor of the Canadian Journal of General Internal Medicine, said that after the OMICS deal was announced in January, she went on the company’s website and immediately noticed red flags as she started browsing through the journals.



“There were all kinds of typos, the grammar was wrong,” she said in an interview from Ottawa. “In medical journals, everything has to be accurate -- every comma, every word -- so that was my first suspicion.”




In other words, the decline in publishing standards is based on poor copyediting. Does poor copyediting make these OMICS-acquired journals predatory, given that poor copyediting can happen even in reputable journals? You'll have to come to your own conclusion. Rose Simpson clearly thinks so, but not every reasonable person will agree with her.






share|improve this answer













This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.



If you define "predatory" as being on Beall's list, then the answer is yes: MDPI was on Beall's list in 2014, and then removed in 2015 (there are a few other publishers that bounced back and forth on the list too, e.g. Hindawi). However if you believe that MDPI was not predatory to start with, or if you believe that MDPI is still predatory, then saying this publisher has switched from being predatory to reputable makes no sense.



The same goes for the other bullet point you mentioned (of a reputable journal becoming disreputable). In 2016, OMICS - a publisher generally held to be disreputable - acquired two Canadian publishers Andrew John Publishing and Pulsus Group, as well as their journals. You can see from the Wikipedia page that this "led to a decline in publishing standards". However if you read the quoted source, the objection is:




Rose Simpson, the former managing editor of the Canadian Journal of General Internal Medicine, said that after the OMICS deal was announced in January, she went on the company’s website and immediately noticed red flags as she started browsing through the journals.



“There were all kinds of typos, the grammar was wrong,” she said in an interview from Ottawa. “In medical journals, everything has to be accurate -- every comma, every word -- so that was my first suspicion.”




In other words, the decline in publishing standards is based on poor copyediting. Does poor copyediting make these OMICS-acquired journals predatory, given that poor copyediting can happen even in reputable journals? You'll have to come to your own conclusion. Rose Simpson clearly thinks so, but not every reasonable person will agree with her.







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered 7 hours ago









AllureAllure

30.4k1893146




30.4k1893146








  • 2





    “This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.” — sure, the difference is a spectrum not a hard boundary, and is in many instances debatable. But at any given time, plenty of journals are either clearly legitimate or clearly predatory, so it’s easy to imagine what a clear-cut answer to this question could look like, and the two other current answers (FuzzyLeapfrog and iayork) both come pretty close.

    – PLL
    6 hours ago














  • 2





    “This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.” — sure, the difference is a spectrum not a hard boundary, and is in many instances debatable. But at any given time, plenty of journals are either clearly legitimate or clearly predatory, so it’s easy to imagine what a clear-cut answer to this question could look like, and the two other current answers (FuzzyLeapfrog and iayork) both come pretty close.

    – PLL
    6 hours ago








2




2





“This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.” — sure, the difference is a spectrum not a hard boundary, and is in many instances debatable. But at any given time, plenty of journals are either clearly legitimate or clearly predatory, so it’s easy to imagine what a clear-cut answer to this question could look like, and the two other current answers (FuzzyLeapfrog and iayork) both come pretty close.

– PLL
6 hours ago





“This question isn't really answerable because what's predatory and what isn't predatory isn't well-defined.” — sure, the difference is a spectrum not a hard boundary, and is in many instances debatable. But at any given time, plenty of journals are either clearly legitimate or clearly predatory, so it’s easy to imagine what a clear-cut answer to this question could look like, and the two other current answers (FuzzyLeapfrog and iayork) both come pretty close.

– PLL
6 hours ago











8














The Publisher Frontiers was - and, since there is no further development, still is - listed on Beall's List. Starting from scratch and with problems and therefore seen as predatory in the beginning by some researchers, Frontiers is now a reputable publisher with their journals listed in Scopus, Web of Science and the Journal Citation Report. The whole story is even included in Frontiers' Wikipedia article.






share|improve this answer





















  • 3





    🤣🤣🤣 That's what you get by fighting Beall's list: it's now "final" and there's no way to get one's name off. That said, the misadventures of Frontiers are far from over.

    – darij grinberg
    6 hours ago











  • @darijgrinberg Unfortunately, the term predatory is limited to open access publishers or those who claim to be one. Looking at the practices of "traditional" publishers, like Elsevier or OUP, that ask for color charges (like 500 USD for one color figure ... in the 21st century where most people only use/have the electronic version of a journal) and letting authors pay for cover images and for re-use of figures and ... and making up to 37% profit be reselling our own reseaech back to us ... this limitation is kind of ... let's say ... unsatisfying.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    26 mins ago













  • Yep -- the list was useful for picking open access publishers; picking an established subscription-based one is a much simpler problem (just look at where others in your subject are publishing). Researchers have been faulting Frontiers for firing editors who didn't accept enough manuscripts; I haven't heard about this issue ever getting resolved, so the extent to which Frontiers is considered reputable is questionable.

    – darij grinberg
    24 mins ago











  • @darij-grinberg Picking a publisher based on where others in your subject are publishing or which journals you typically cite applies to all publishers, not only to the traditional ones.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    20 mins ago


















8














The Publisher Frontiers was - and, since there is no further development, still is - listed on Beall's List. Starting from scratch and with problems and therefore seen as predatory in the beginning by some researchers, Frontiers is now a reputable publisher with their journals listed in Scopus, Web of Science and the Journal Citation Report. The whole story is even included in Frontiers' Wikipedia article.






share|improve this answer





















  • 3





    🤣🤣🤣 That's what you get by fighting Beall's list: it's now "final" and there's no way to get one's name off. That said, the misadventures of Frontiers are far from over.

    – darij grinberg
    6 hours ago











  • @darijgrinberg Unfortunately, the term predatory is limited to open access publishers or those who claim to be one. Looking at the practices of "traditional" publishers, like Elsevier or OUP, that ask for color charges (like 500 USD for one color figure ... in the 21st century where most people only use/have the electronic version of a journal) and letting authors pay for cover images and for re-use of figures and ... and making up to 37% profit be reselling our own reseaech back to us ... this limitation is kind of ... let's say ... unsatisfying.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    26 mins ago













  • Yep -- the list was useful for picking open access publishers; picking an established subscription-based one is a much simpler problem (just look at where others in your subject are publishing). Researchers have been faulting Frontiers for firing editors who didn't accept enough manuscripts; I haven't heard about this issue ever getting resolved, so the extent to which Frontiers is considered reputable is questionable.

    – darij grinberg
    24 mins ago











  • @darij-grinberg Picking a publisher based on where others in your subject are publishing or which journals you typically cite applies to all publishers, not only to the traditional ones.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    20 mins ago
















8












8








8







The Publisher Frontiers was - and, since there is no further development, still is - listed on Beall's List. Starting from scratch and with problems and therefore seen as predatory in the beginning by some researchers, Frontiers is now a reputable publisher with their journals listed in Scopus, Web of Science and the Journal Citation Report. The whole story is even included in Frontiers' Wikipedia article.






share|improve this answer















The Publisher Frontiers was - and, since there is no further development, still is - listed on Beall's List. Starting from scratch and with problems and therefore seen as predatory in the beginning by some researchers, Frontiers is now a reputable publisher with their journals listed in Scopus, Web of Science and the Journal Citation Report. The whole story is even included in Frontiers' Wikipedia article.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited 7 hours ago

























answered 9 hours ago









FuzzyLeapfrogFuzzyLeapfrog

2,9901834




2,9901834








  • 3





    🤣🤣🤣 That's what you get by fighting Beall's list: it's now "final" and there's no way to get one's name off. That said, the misadventures of Frontiers are far from over.

    – darij grinberg
    6 hours ago











  • @darijgrinberg Unfortunately, the term predatory is limited to open access publishers or those who claim to be one. Looking at the practices of "traditional" publishers, like Elsevier or OUP, that ask for color charges (like 500 USD for one color figure ... in the 21st century where most people only use/have the electronic version of a journal) and letting authors pay for cover images and for re-use of figures and ... and making up to 37% profit be reselling our own reseaech back to us ... this limitation is kind of ... let's say ... unsatisfying.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    26 mins ago













  • Yep -- the list was useful for picking open access publishers; picking an established subscription-based one is a much simpler problem (just look at where others in your subject are publishing). Researchers have been faulting Frontiers for firing editors who didn't accept enough manuscripts; I haven't heard about this issue ever getting resolved, so the extent to which Frontiers is considered reputable is questionable.

    – darij grinberg
    24 mins ago











  • @darij-grinberg Picking a publisher based on where others in your subject are publishing or which journals you typically cite applies to all publishers, not only to the traditional ones.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    20 mins ago
















  • 3





    🤣🤣🤣 That's what you get by fighting Beall's list: it's now "final" and there's no way to get one's name off. That said, the misadventures of Frontiers are far from over.

    – darij grinberg
    6 hours ago











  • @darijgrinberg Unfortunately, the term predatory is limited to open access publishers or those who claim to be one. Looking at the practices of "traditional" publishers, like Elsevier or OUP, that ask for color charges (like 500 USD for one color figure ... in the 21st century where most people only use/have the electronic version of a journal) and letting authors pay for cover images and for re-use of figures and ... and making up to 37% profit be reselling our own reseaech back to us ... this limitation is kind of ... let's say ... unsatisfying.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    26 mins ago













  • Yep -- the list was useful for picking open access publishers; picking an established subscription-based one is a much simpler problem (just look at where others in your subject are publishing). Researchers have been faulting Frontiers for firing editors who didn't accept enough manuscripts; I haven't heard about this issue ever getting resolved, so the extent to which Frontiers is considered reputable is questionable.

    – darij grinberg
    24 mins ago











  • @darij-grinberg Picking a publisher based on where others in your subject are publishing or which journals you typically cite applies to all publishers, not only to the traditional ones.

    – FuzzyLeapfrog
    20 mins ago










3




3





🤣🤣🤣 That's what you get by fighting Beall's list: it's now "final" and there's no way to get one's name off. That said, the misadventures of Frontiers are far from over.

– darij grinberg
6 hours ago





🤣🤣🤣 That's what you get by fighting Beall's list: it's now "final" and there's no way to get one's name off. That said, the misadventures of Frontiers are far from over.

– darij grinberg
6 hours ago













@darijgrinberg Unfortunately, the term predatory is limited to open access publishers or those who claim to be one. Looking at the practices of "traditional" publishers, like Elsevier or OUP, that ask for color charges (like 500 USD for one color figure ... in the 21st century where most people only use/have the electronic version of a journal) and letting authors pay for cover images and for re-use of figures and ... and making up to 37% profit be reselling our own reseaech back to us ... this limitation is kind of ... let's say ... unsatisfying.

– FuzzyLeapfrog
26 mins ago







@darijgrinberg Unfortunately, the term predatory is limited to open access publishers or those who claim to be one. Looking at the practices of "traditional" publishers, like Elsevier or OUP, that ask for color charges (like 500 USD for one color figure ... in the 21st century where most people only use/have the electronic version of a journal) and letting authors pay for cover images and for re-use of figures and ... and making up to 37% profit be reselling our own reseaech back to us ... this limitation is kind of ... let's say ... unsatisfying.

– FuzzyLeapfrog
26 mins ago















Yep -- the list was useful for picking open access publishers; picking an established subscription-based one is a much simpler problem (just look at where others in your subject are publishing). Researchers have been faulting Frontiers for firing editors who didn't accept enough manuscripts; I haven't heard about this issue ever getting resolved, so the extent to which Frontiers is considered reputable is questionable.

– darij grinberg
24 mins ago





Yep -- the list was useful for picking open access publishers; picking an established subscription-based one is a much simpler problem (just look at where others in your subject are publishing). Researchers have been faulting Frontiers for firing editors who didn't accept enough manuscripts; I haven't heard about this issue ever getting resolved, so the extent to which Frontiers is considered reputable is questionable.

– darij grinberg
24 mins ago













@darij-grinberg Picking a publisher based on where others in your subject are publishing or which journals you typically cite applies to all publishers, not only to the traditional ones.

– FuzzyLeapfrog
20 mins ago







@darij-grinberg Picking a publisher based on where others in your subject are publishing or which journals you typically cite applies to all publishers, not only to the traditional ones.

– FuzzyLeapfrog
20 mins ago













2















OMICS International, a “predatory” publisher of fake and low-quality research, has bought another Canadian science publisher — its third this year.



OMICS has acquired Intellectual Consortium of Drug Discovery & Technology Development Incorporation, of Saskatoon. Jeffrey Beall of the University of Colorado, who investigates the shadowy world of fake science publishing, discovered OMICS has expanded the group from three to 10 journal titles, all of them operating only online.




--Predatory publisher expands control of Canadian science journals




One of the world’s most well-known “predatory” publishers has bought two commercial Canadian publishers of about 16 medical specialty journals




--Alleged predatory publisher buys medical journals






share|improve this answer



















  • 3





    So is this an instance of a predatory publisher raising its content standards and going legitimate, or respected journals getting taken over and becoming predatory, or are they meeting somewhere in the middle (shoddy scientific practices but not outright misconduct)?

    – PLL
    6 hours ago


















2















OMICS International, a “predatory” publisher of fake and low-quality research, has bought another Canadian science publisher — its third this year.



OMICS has acquired Intellectual Consortium of Drug Discovery & Technology Development Incorporation, of Saskatoon. Jeffrey Beall of the University of Colorado, who investigates the shadowy world of fake science publishing, discovered OMICS has expanded the group from three to 10 journal titles, all of them operating only online.




--Predatory publisher expands control of Canadian science journals




One of the world’s most well-known “predatory” publishers has bought two commercial Canadian publishers of about 16 medical specialty journals




--Alleged predatory publisher buys medical journals






share|improve this answer



















  • 3





    So is this an instance of a predatory publisher raising its content standards and going legitimate, or respected journals getting taken over and becoming predatory, or are they meeting somewhere in the middle (shoddy scientific practices but not outright misconduct)?

    – PLL
    6 hours ago
















2












2








2








OMICS International, a “predatory” publisher of fake and low-quality research, has bought another Canadian science publisher — its third this year.



OMICS has acquired Intellectual Consortium of Drug Discovery & Technology Development Incorporation, of Saskatoon. Jeffrey Beall of the University of Colorado, who investigates the shadowy world of fake science publishing, discovered OMICS has expanded the group from three to 10 journal titles, all of them operating only online.




--Predatory publisher expands control of Canadian science journals




One of the world’s most well-known “predatory” publishers has bought two commercial Canadian publishers of about 16 medical specialty journals




--Alleged predatory publisher buys medical journals






share|improve this answer














OMICS International, a “predatory” publisher of fake and low-quality research, has bought another Canadian science publisher — its third this year.



OMICS has acquired Intellectual Consortium of Drug Discovery & Technology Development Incorporation, of Saskatoon. Jeffrey Beall of the University of Colorado, who investigates the shadowy world of fake science publishing, discovered OMICS has expanded the group from three to 10 journal titles, all of them operating only online.




--Predatory publisher expands control of Canadian science journals




One of the world’s most well-known “predatory” publishers has bought two commercial Canadian publishers of about 16 medical specialty journals




--Alleged predatory publisher buys medical journals







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered 8 hours ago









iayorkiayork

12.4k53345




12.4k53345








  • 3





    So is this an instance of a predatory publisher raising its content standards and going legitimate, or respected journals getting taken over and becoming predatory, or are they meeting somewhere in the middle (shoddy scientific practices but not outright misconduct)?

    – PLL
    6 hours ago
















  • 3





    So is this an instance of a predatory publisher raising its content standards and going legitimate, or respected journals getting taken over and becoming predatory, or are they meeting somewhere in the middle (shoddy scientific practices but not outright misconduct)?

    – PLL
    6 hours ago










3




3





So is this an instance of a predatory publisher raising its content standards and going legitimate, or respected journals getting taken over and becoming predatory, or are they meeting somewhere in the middle (shoddy scientific practices but not outright misconduct)?

– PLL
6 hours ago







So is this an instance of a predatory publisher raising its content standards and going legitimate, or respected journals getting taken over and becoming predatory, or are they meeting somewhere in the middle (shoddy scientific practices but not outright misconduct)?

– PLL
6 hours ago




















draft saved

draft discarded




















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Academia Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2facademia.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f124807%2fhas-a-journal-ever-switched-between-being-a-predatory-journal-and-a-reputable-on%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Ponta tanko

Tantalo (mitologio)

Erzsébet Schaár